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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    If you have any better ideas...I am all ears, but the bottom line is that insurance companies have been screwing over people for years. And people working 3 jobs to barely make ends meet who had to consider health insurance a luxury are not only screwed over, but demonized as people making bad choices because they do not have insurance. ( as if every person is able to get fully benefitted jobs - seriously it boggles the mind.

    The only thing I heard from the right for years before ACA was tort reform, vouchers and such. Not really gonna ado it.
    The ideas from the right, at least, offered a solution for a significant number of people without massively increasing government control, taking away the right and responsibility of people to choose for themselves and without adding massive amounts of additional spending to a government that can't keep up with the bills it already had.

    UHC will only take all that crappy stuff from Obamacare and kick it up about a hundred notches.
    TANSTAAFL

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We appreciate the attempt to support your position with 3rd party evidence, however, the $6.2T is a pile of crap, essentially made up by Jeff Sessions to fuel distain for the PPACA. If you read your article carefully, it says "under one set of assumptions" and the $6.2T number was created by a Senate aide, not the GAO. Conveniently, the articles link to the actual GAO report is a deadlink

    GOP Senator Knowingly Distorts GAO Report He Commissioned To Launch Most Dishonest Attack On Obamacare To Date - Forbes

    The actual GAO report says the actual results could vary between budget deficit reduction and budget deficit increase, depending on whether cost containment is attained.

    http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/651702.pdf
    Well, I don't know whether Sessions 'cooked the books' or not and if he did, shame on him. BUT. . . .if he is right re the carnage if the promised 'cost containment is not attained', then we're in trouble. For the federal government has NEVER. . . and I emphasize NEVER contained costs in my ever more lengthy lifetime, and it certainly gives no sign of any kind of change of heart about that. And given that so little promised in Obamacare has turned out the way it was sold to us, can you say you have any confidence that costs will be contained in this one instance when it just isn't happening anywhere else?
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The ideas from the right, at least, offered a solution for a significant number of people without massively increasing government control, taking away the right and responsibility of people to choose for themselves and without adding massive amounts of additional spending to a government that can't keep up with the bills it already had.

    UHC will only take all that crappy stuff from Obamacare and kick it up about a hundred notches.
    A solution? Give me a break.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A solution? Give me a break.
    Well, obviously not a solution YOU would like...being a progressive and all...but a solution nevertheless.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Yeah...unfortunately, that pre-existing condition clause is one of the poison pills embedded in Obamacare that probably will saddle us with this massive entitlement program...or worse, UHC...for decades to come.
    its disgusting that CJ Roberts decided he wanted to prove he was more clever than the other justices



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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Well, obviously not a solution YOU would like...being a progressive and all...but a solution nevertheless.
    What could be clearly solved?

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its disgusting that CJ Roberts decided he wanted to prove he was more clever than the other justices
    The only real complaint I have of Roberts is that he didn't try to pin down the Democrats on whether the punishment for not buying insurance is a tax or a fine...considering they identified it as both at various times. He allowed them to stick with it as a tax in the end and that's what screwed the people.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The only real complaint I have of Roberts is that he didn't try to pin down the Democrats on whether the punishment for not buying insurance is a tax or a fine...considering they identified it as both at various times. He allowed them to stick with it as a tax in the end and that's what screwed the people.
    He should have done the right thing and thrown it out since they claimed it wasn't a taax



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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    What could be clearly solved?
    I think I already answered that question...but if you insist, I'll repeat myself just this once:

    offered a solution for a significant number of people without massively increasing government control, taking away the right and responsibility of people to choose for themselves and without adding massive amounts of additional spending to a government that can't keep up with the bills it already had.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I think I already answered that question...but if you insist, I'll repeat myself just this once:
    Not really specific, is it.

    Devil is in the details.

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