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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    I support it hopefully; it is a timid step on the way to Unversed Healthcare.
    Not even close...

    It is a step in the opposite direction, placing more profits and more control in the hands of insurance companies.

    Universal health care cannot function in a for-profit model. Not one universal model has a large for-profit aspect, the best have none at all.

    France, Germany, Norway, Canada, the pioneers have all removed profit from the equation.

    It will never happen in America....at least not in my lifetime. The failures and disruptions caused by this pig will drive back that impetus and rightfully so. So bad is this law that no American should trust his government on the issue again for a decade. You had the world's best health care economists standing right next door offereing to advise. Obama ignored them. Those Canadian economists said 15 million people would have to change plans or lose them, and Obama said "if you like your plan....."

    Those same economists also projected what will happen three, five, ten years from now when the mandates kick in, when the ER waiting rooms get closed by the fire marshal, that this way is your Gotterdamerung, Obama went on saying "if you like your plan" because the picture they painted, which hjas been 100 % accurate so far, is really, really ugly.

    And moving to an even more, gasp, "socialist" model will not be on, the people are not going to believe it will be less costly than the rusted out, engineless and broken Edsel at Cadillac prices they are already paying for.

    Obama set your tragectory back by at least ten years, maybe fifty..the smell of this garbage is going to linger a long, long time.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    I support it only due to being better then what there was before. I'd rather have something better or single payer then the ACA/Obamacare. However it seems, at the moment, the only choices being given are 110% support of Obamacare or "repeal and maybe we'll replace it with something, haven't decided yet."

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Yes/no.

    I really like certain aspects of it, like, no preexisting conditions exclusions & that a parent's child can remain insured until the age of 26.

    That stuff is terrific.

    What's not terrific is: 1) it's unconstitutional, 2) it is far more expensive than when it was being shilled, 3) the website is an invitation for identity theft & compromised personal information, 4) the fact that government agencies not associated with healthcare have access to the information provided by enrolled Americans & 5) people losing their insurance and/or doctor despite what was shilled.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    No.

    AHCA only helps ONE group...the insurance companies. That's why they backed it in the first place. It's the brain child of fellow corporate shill, Romney.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Not even close...

    It is a step in the opposite direction, placing more profits and more control in the hands of insurance companies.

    Universal health care cannot function in a for-profit model. Not one universal model has a large for-profit aspect, the best have none at all.

    France, Germany, Norway, Canada, the pioneers have all removed profit from the equation.

    It will never happen in America....at least not in my lifetime. The failures and disruptions caused by this pig will drive back that impetus and rightfully so. So bad is this law that no American should trust his government on the issue again for a decade. You had the world's best health care economists standing right next door offereing to advise. Obama ignored them. Those Canadian economists said 15 million people would have to change plans or lose them, and Obama said "if you like your plan....."

    Those same economists also projected what will happen three, five, ten years from now when the mandates kick in, when the ER waiting rooms get closed by the fire marshal, that this way is your Gotterdamerung, Obama went on saying "if you like your plan" because the picture they painted, which hjas been 100 % accurate so far, is really, really ugly.

    And moving to an even more, gasp, "socialist" model will not be on, the people are not going to believe it will be less costly than the rusted out, engineless and broken Edsel at Cadillac prices they are already paying for.

    Obama set your tragectory back by at least ten years, maybe fifty..the smell of this garbage is going to linger a long, long time.
    True...the plan we have now is/was garbage when it was lifted off without a public option.BUT, we can hope that someone in the future will look at this mess and mutter to him/herself... WTF! and more sane minds will prevail.Near term, we can at least move onto the Swedish model,which were almost into now.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    I don't support the ACA, but I think attempting to repeal it is a huge waste of time. We should put our efforts into fixing the glaring problems instead of partisan rabble-rousing.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't support the ACA, but I think attempting to repeal it is a huge waste of time. We should put our efforts into fixing the glaring problems instead of partisan rabble-rousing.
    You cannot polish a turd. There is no way to “fix” this disastrous piece of sh^H^Hlegislation that doesn't begin with completely repealing it, and removing from office as many as possible of the idiots who are responsible for inflicting it on us in the first place.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Not a chance. It's a horrible idea across the board that's going to cost us all a ton of money and do absolutely nothing.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You cannot polish a turd. There is no way to “fix” this disastrous piece of sh^H^Hlegislation that doesn't begin with completely repealing it, and removing from office as many as possible of the idiots who are responsible for inflicting it on us in the first place.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't support the ACA, but I think attempting to repeal it is a huge waste of time. We should put our efforts into fixing the glaring problems instead of partisan rabble-rousing.
    Well part of the reason the GOP doesn't want to "fix" it is because they don't have a replacement plan. The ACA is essentially an aggregation of formerly Republican ideas. The GOP is idealistically bankrupt in providing an alternative and hence why their replacement options are little more than charades that reduce coverage, leave millions uninsured and does nothing to reduce the cost of healthcare. Does the ACA suck in many ways? Absolutely, but it's better than the promotion of freeloading that the GOP's plan does. Unless we remove the Reagan era laws that prevent hospitals from denying live saving care, we're stuck with this problem. I'd rather have a system that promotes people getting their own insurance over a system that promotes the rampant theft of insurance pool money. But that's just me.

    I do think the ACA should jack up the fee to be more than the cost of insurance. That was a big fault right there.

    The #1 problem I see with American health care is that there is effectively no transparency. Why does an operation here cost $5,000 and the same there costs $50,000 with no complications in either? Makes. No. Sense.

    Until we solve the transparency issue, we will NEVER solve our healthcare issues.
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