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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I never suggested that embarrassing info is grounds for impeachment. I did suggest the possibility that embarrassing info could have influenced Justice Roberts decision to do a 180 turnaround and support obamacare. I don't see any other possible motive for his sudden reversal.
    Like many justices, Roberts wants to be remembered as brilliant. so he tried to suck up to legal historians on both sides in an attempt to be clever. He upheld Obamacare so as to ingratiate himself to the socialists and he denied that the commerce clause allowed it so as to appeal to the constitutional originalists.



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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    In my opinion, the Obama administration had some embarrassing info on Roberts and threatened to publish it. According to other judges on the bench, Roberts started out as against the ACA.
    Although I'm not a lawyer, I work in the legal business. I understand (somewhat) Roberts' decision. People who don't work in the law often have trouble understanding legalities vs. feelings or the ultimate effect of a ruling, or even that a judge may not like having to make a particular ruling, but the law requires it.

    Roberts decided that, based on other laws and statutes, the so-called penalty is, in fact, a tax. He may have hated having to rule that way. But if that's how he saw it, legally speaking, he had no choice but to rule that way. If he had decided otherwise, there might be other so-called penalties that would have fallen because they wouldn't be considered taxes, either.

    Roberts didn't betray anyone. He came to a decision based on the law, as he saw it, as the law was presented to him by both sides. And whether you agree with that particular decision or not, it is a GOOD thing that a person comes to a legal ruling based on the law rather than how he FEELS about it and despite what his preference would be for the outcome.

    Sotomayor has decided a couple of cases that were disappointments to Democrats. But, like Roberts, it's a good sign when a person rules a way that he or she probably would prefer the law let him/her rule another way.

    BTW, justices have on occasion mentioned this fact, that they have to rule a certain way because of a statute or regulation, and that the fix for that would be the changing of that statute/regulation. That is the answer to a legal court opinion that results in an outcome that most people don't like. The answer it to cure it by congressional statute.

    Congress could have fixed this, you know, but chose not to. Instead, the House chose to vote to repeal the ACA over 40 times, knowing it was a waste of time. So I ask you....how serious were the Republicans about fixing the ACA for the people. Or has it just been political all along?
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Congress could have fixed this, you know, but chose not to. Instead, the House chose to vote to repeal the ACA over 40 times…
    There is not, and never will be, any way to fix this, that doesn't begin with repealing the whole stinking mess, seeing to it that as many as possible of the cretins who are responsible for inflicting it on this nation are removed from office, and then starting over.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There is not, and never will be, any way to fix this, that doesn't begin with repealing the whole stinking mess, seeing to it that as many as possible of the cretins who are responsible for inflicting it on this nation are removed from office, and then starting over.

    You cannot polish a turd.
    Not fix the ACA. I meant that Congress could have fixed the laws on which the S.Ct. based its decision that the penalty is a tax under the Commerce Code. Of course, changing it may not have been retroactive, but it would have been a fix to the law that allowed the penalty to continue.

    Penalty or not, the ACA was not on the chopping block. Only whether the penalty and something else was legal.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    No. Not at all.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Like many justices, Roberts wants to be remembered as brilliant. so he tried to suck up to legal historians on both sides in an attempt to be clever. He upheld Obamacare so as to ingratiate himself to the socialists and he denied that the commerce clause allowed it so as to appeal to the constitutional originalists.
    Exactly.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Although I'm not a lawyer, I work in the legal business. I understand (somewhat) Roberts' decision. People who don't work in the law often have trouble understanding legalities vs. feelings or the ultimate effect of a ruling, or even that a judge may not like having to make a particular ruling, but the law requires it.

    Roberts decided that, based on other laws and statutes, the so-called penalty is, in fact, a tax. He may have hated having to rule that way. But if that's how he saw it, legally speaking, he had no choice but to rule that way. If he had decided otherwise, there might be other so-called penalties that would have fallen because they wouldn't be considered taxes, either.
    First....the job of a US Supreme Court justice is to interpret the law as it's written...not change it to what he wants it to say, The penalty was not written into the law as a tax and during the debate leading up to passing it, Obama and the democrats denied that it was a tax. Roberts acted as an activist judge.

    Roberts didn't betray anyone. He came to a decision based on the law, as he saw it, as the law was presented to him by both sides. And whether you agree with that particular decision or not, it is a GOOD thing that a person comes to a legal ruling based on the law rather than how he FEELS about it and despite what his preference would be for the outcome.
    Roberts betrayed the US constitution and all who support it. Once again...the penalty was not written into the law as a tax. It was written in as a penalty.....and in fact it is still referred to as a penalty. As it's written, it is in violation of the 10th amendment. One does not need to be a lawyer to figure that out.

    Sotomayor has decided a couple of cases that were disappointments to Democrats. But, like Roberts, it's a good sign when a person rules a way that he or she probably would prefer the law let him/her rule another way.
    B.S. They should stick to interpreting the law as it is written and judge it based on the constitution. They should notthrow in how they think it should have been written.

    BTW, justices have on occasion mentioned this fact, that they have to rule a certain way because of a statute or regulation, and that the fix for that would be the changing of that statute/regulation. That is the answer to a legal court opinion that results in an outcome that most people don't like. The answer it to cure it by congressional statute.
    Fixing it is not in their job description. They are the judicial branch, not the legislative branch.

    Congress could have fixed this, you know, but chose not to. Instead, the House chose to vote to repeal the ACA over 40 times, knowing it was a waste of time. So I ask you....how serious were the Republicans about fixing the ACA for the people. Or has it just been political all along?
    The republicans did offer some fixes, however they were either stopped by Harry Reid's refusal to even bring them up for a vote or Obama's threat to veto them. If the republicans take the Senate, they might get some fixes in if Obama gets the message that the vast majority of Americans are very unhappy with obamacare, however I suspect that little will be accomplished until Obama is out of office.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Yes it does. This makes perfect sense. Consider this conversation:

    Patient: Hey Doctor, I'm about to die. Will you save my life?
    Doctor: Of course I will. I am a compassionate human and I am obligated by law to save your life.
    Patient: But how much will it cost?
    Doctor: Oh don't you worry about that. Those things aren't important. Do you want me to save your life?
    Patient: Well of course.
    Doctor: Then don't worry about such unimportant things like that. Your health is way more important than money.
    Patient: You are right. Thanks Doctor. You are a great man.

    How much did the surgery cost in the above scenario? Before answering, consider the age old question. Where does a 1,800 pound Gorilla sit?

    Then two answers are pretty much the same. When someone saves your life, you owe them as much money as they ask for. That is why many argue that the profit factor should be removed from the equation.
    But that's not how billing is done. A patient doesn't decide how much they'll pay.

    The US healthcare system suffers because there is no transparency. And nothing either party is proposing fixes this.
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    Re: Do you support Obamacare ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There is not, and never will be, any way to fix this, that doesn't begin with repealing the whole stinking mess, seeing to it that as many as possible of the cretins who are responsible for inflicting it on this nation are removed from office, and then starting over.

    You cannot polish a turd.
    Which part of the law do you hate specifically?

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