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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    Oh, yeah, a sea level rise less than you will notice by 2050... (6 inches?).

    What do you think is going to happen?
    Sea level rise (predictions are more like 12-20 inches by 2050), more extreme weather events (storms, floods, droughts, etc.), possible ocean acidification, Risk of large-scale extinctions. Secondary effects could be serious food and/or water shortages in parts of the world. All of these could exacerbate regional/national tensions, which is a good thing for the armed forces to pay attention to.

    Why bury our heads in the sand now and ignore it, and run the risk that we could end up unprepared in the future and have to try to adapt in a hurry, when we can make slow, steady changes that will be much cheaper in the long run and help us be prepared for what the future brings us?
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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    There sure was a climate change in Vietnam compared to the CONUS. We went commando.

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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Sea level rise (predictions are more like 12-20 inches by 2050), more extreme weather events (storms, floods, droughts, etc.), possible ocean acidification, Risk of large-scale extinctions. Secondary effects could be serious food and/or water shortages in parts of the world. All of these could exacerbate regional/national tensions, which is a good thing for the armed forces to pay attention to.

    Why bury our heads in the sand now and ignore it, and run the risk that we could end up unprepared in the future and have to try to adapt in a hurry, when we can make slow, steady changes that will be much cheaper in the long run and help us be prepared for what the future brings us?

    1 You think that the sea level is going to rise by 20 inches in 35 years? Given it's going at 1.9mm per year it will have to accelerate a lot.

    2 The weather has become less stormy and unpredictable recently.

    3 Is the occasional bleaching of coral reefs something that the military should react to? Who would they shoot at?

    4 Large scale extinctions of what???? What species do you think are at all at risk due to a 1 degree warming?

    5 Food production is helped by increased CO2. A warmer world is generally wetter.

    6 Regional tensions; Lots of poor people will attack the USA. Ummm... not really a military problem is it.

    The adaption to a 1 degree warmer world is not required. Just keep calm and carry on. Nothing to worry about here.

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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    1 You think that the sea level is going to rise by 20 inches in 35 years? Given it's going at 1.9mm per year it will have to accelerate a lot.

    2 The weather has become less stormy and unpredictable recently.

    3 Is the occasional bleaching of coral reefs something that the military should react to? Who would they shoot at?

    4 Large scale extinctions of what???? What species do you think are at all at risk due to a 1 degree warming?

    5 Food production is helped by increased CO2. A warmer world is generally wetter.

    6 Regional tensions; Lots of poor people will attack the USA. Ummm... not really a military problem is it.

    The adaption to a 1 degree warmer world is not required. Just keep calm and carry on. Nothing to worry about here.
    Okay, my original guess was right. You do need to educate yourself more. Until you do there's no point discussing anything.
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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    At some point, more than 97% of "scientists" did "believe" that the Ptolemaic geocentric system
    Just so you know, a scientist isn't just anyone who studies the natural world. Copernicus for all his knowledge was not a scientist in the real sense of the word. Use of the scientific method is how we define scientists today. Anything before the scientific method is prescientific. So in short:

    1) If 97% of people who studied natural world believed in the Ptolemaic geocentric system, that is terrible. However, they weren't scientists.
    2) Copernicus' work wasn't criticized or even so much as studied by scientists. It was studied by natural philosophers like himself, at best.

    Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.[1] To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[2] The Oxford English Dictionary defines the scientific method as "a method or procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."[3]
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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Prepare how, exactly? How would "preparation for climate change" differ from preparation for any other conflict?

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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Here is gore saying by 2013 the ice caps will be gone heck its a video so you claiming he did not might be incorrect.

    Al Gore: North Polar Ice Cap 'Completely Disappear' by 2013 | Conservative Angle
    That was referring to arctic summer ice, not the entire ice cap. "Conservative Angle" has poor reading comprehension, you should read about stuff like this from real scientists, not crappy bloggers or those dumbasses on cable news channels. And at the time, it certainly looked like that was a possibility. But Al Gore was making the same mistake you were: looking at that plunge in 2007-2008 2006-2007 and deciding that was indicative of the overall trend. Meanwhile, your right-wing news sources looked at the line I circled in that red box and declared that arctic sea is was growing.

    Both are pretty silly things to do, don't you agree? Just look at the year-to-year fluctuations. Clearly you can't just look at one year of data and come up with any meaningful conclusion. You agree?

    edit: I looked up the study in question, it actually stated 2016, +/- 3 years, and "nearly free," not melted completely. It also seems to be a minority opinion. For example, from the National Snow and Ice Data Center:

    "Seeing an essentially ice free Arctic Ocean in summer by 2016 is extremely unlikely. While we have certainly seen a rapid loss of summer ice in recent decades (compared to the late 1970s, we've lost about 40 per cent of the summer ice cover), losing the remainder over the next few years would be very hard to do."
    Even that terrible, alarmist IPCC predicts 94% ice free by 2100 based on the model averaging and a high emissions scenario.
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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    There sure was a climate change in Vietnam compared to the CONUS. We went commando.
    So...damp...

    Well, guess I don't need to eat breakfast today. Thanks, APACHERAT.
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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Easy to answer for me. Why prepare for something that is no more then a political movement. You want to further politicize the military, go ahead. But you will find, very quickly, that is the fastest way to make an effective military, ineffective. Just look at Vietnam for instance. We were crushing the Vietnamese, the only reason we lost that war is because politicians continually tied the militaries hands behind its back.

    Now, I will say that we certainly need to be putting money into alternative energy. But not because of global warming. I think it would be very good for our own security if we could rely as little as possible on coal and oil because we have to import so much of it into the country. Which the money goes to supporting the very thing we are fighting around the world, muslim extremism. I think it is also important to not only become independent ourselves, but to help the rest of the world become independent so that we can isolate those who are our enemies that are funded by oil revenue.

    Because of global warming, no.

    Because of national security and the fight on terrorism, yes.
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    Re: Should the US military prepare for climate change?

    Perhaps the sense is that we cant really afford $160.00 per gallon for 'green' jet fuel and similar exorbitant purchases with limited returns.

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