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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    You're wrong about that. They may not be walking around 24/7 with rifles. They are however subject to recall 24/7. It's happened before.
    So are doctors and airline pilots. Sometimes cops and firemen.

    By the time they were deployed on a situation, they'd be pretty darn straight. Hungry maybe, but straight
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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm in favor of legalization, but until such time that the federal government legalizes it federal employees, including troops, should not use marijuana. The states legalizing it doesn't impact that. If they want to smoke they can take employment with a state entity or private entity rather than federal.
    As far as I know, there are no such stipulations in the laws in WA and CO. Technically, pot remains illegal federally for everyone.

    But if you work for the federal govt, they still dont own you. If you live in one of those 2 states, I'm not aware of anything to prevent general federal employees from using pot. Lots of employers stipulate you must not be under the influence (pot, alcohol, prescrip. drugs) in a manner that affects your work. That's about it.
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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    But if you work for the federal govt, they still dont own you. If you live in one of those 2 states, I'm not aware of anything to prevent general federal employees from using pot.
    They don't own you, but they don't OWE you a job either. The vast majority of federal jobs have a requirement that's part of your employment package regarding refraining from using illegal drugs. And marijuana, at this time, is still an illegal drug on a federal level.

    If you're in a federal job, and that federal job has a stipulation that you may not engage in illegal behavior and/or specifically in illegal drug use, then no...you should not be able to smoke pot in those states and keep your job because those things are still illegal activities as it relates to your federal employment.

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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    They don't own you, but they don't OWE you a job either. The vast majority of federal jobs have a requirement that's part of your employment package regarding refraining from using illegal drugs. And marijuana, at this time, is still an illegal drug on a federal level.

    If you're in a federal job, and that federal job has a stipulation that you may not engage in illegal behavior and/or specifically in illegal drug use, then no...you should not be able to smoke pot in those states and keep your job because those things are still illegal activities as it relates to your federal employment.
    Mmmm, it would have to be specific I'd think...it's illegal for everyone, technically, yet not in those states.

    If they are not testing, it should be none of their business if they are not breaking the laws. If the feds have stated they'll ignore pot use (as they have) in those 2 states...then the feds have said exactly that for those employees unless it's written out in the employee contract. And can the feds control the alcohol use of their employees on their own time?

    I just dont see it as that black and white.
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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Mmmm, it would have to be specific I'd think...it's illegal for everyone, technically, yet not in those states.
    No, you're wrong.

    Under federal law, it's illegal for EVERYONE including in those two states.

    Under state law, it's legal for people in those two states.

    A state law making it legal only affects the STATE, it doesn't over rule the federal.

    Technically, for people in those states, it's still ILLEGAL on a federal level. They're still engage in illegal activity even if it's not illegal at a state level.

    If they are not testing, it should be none of their business if they are not breaking the laws.
    Disagree. If the business wants to make that a requirement for employment I have no issue with it. Don't like it, don't work for them.

    If the feds have stated they'll ignore pot use (as they have) in those 2 states...then the feds have said exactly that for those employees unless it's written out in the employee contract.
    No, it hasn't.

    People using pot in those two states are still doing so in an ILLEGAL fashion as it comes to federal law....the feds simply are just choosing not to take action against it. That doesn't change the fact it IS illegal. You are still not ALLOWED federally to smoke pot in those two states, you're just unlikely to have any reprucussions if you do it.

    The question in the OP was should it be ALLOWED. I would say no. Just like it's not ALLOWED for anyone else under the law. As to whether or not the individual employing agencies would like to state that they TOO will ignore it should be up to those agencies imho.

    And can the feds control the alcohol use of their employees on their own time?
    Unlikely to hold up in court, as they're engaging in a LEGAL activity in that case. Smoking pot is not a LEGAL activity, even in those two states. It's legal on a state level, illegal federally.

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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, you're wrong.

    Under federal law, it's illegal for EVERYONE including in those two states.

    Under state law, it's legal for people in those two states.

    A state law making it legal only affects the STATE, it doesn't over rule the federal.

    Technically, for people in those states, it's still ILLEGAL on a federal level. They're still engage in illegal activity even if it's not illegal at a state level.



    Disagree. If the business wants to make that a requirement for employment I have no issue with it. Don't like it, don't work for them.



    No, it hasn't.

    People using pot in those two states are still doing so in an ILLEGAL fashion as it comes to federal law....the feds simply are just choosing not to take action against it. That doesn't change the fact it IS illegal. You are still not ALLOWED federally to smoke pot in those two states, you're just unlikely to have any reprucussions if you do it.

    The question in the OP was should it be ALLOWED. I would say no. Just like it's not ALLOWED for anyone else under the law. As to whether or not the individual employing agencies would like to state that they TOO will ignore it should be up to those agencies imho.



    Unlikely to hold up in court, as they're engaging in a LEGAL activity in that case. Smoking pot is not a LEGAL activity, even in those two states. It's legal on a state level, illegal federally.
    I wrote that wrong. I did write that technically it's wrong for everyone at the federal level, but then it should have read 'including' in those 2 states. ANd I also wrote that the feds had publicly announced they'd ignore enforcement in those 2 states.
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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Marijuana > prescription pills.

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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should troops stationed in Colorado and Washington be allowed recreational use of marijuana? What say you?


    I am for legalized recreational use of marijuana and I say yes.
    I am against legalized recreational use of marijuana and I say yes.
    I am for legalized recreational use of marijuana and I say no.
    I am against legalized recreational use of marijuana and I say no.
    Other/I do not know.


    I say yes.I think that considering the fact we are having our troops sacrifice for their lives then they should be allowed to have all the vices they can.Basically they should be treated like a make a wish kid except with booze, hookers, dirty magazines, alcohol marijuana and etc.
    It should be as legal as alcohol.

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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I had to go with other as I am not really for or against legalization, fitting in somewhere between entirely apathetic and thinking it just ain't worth the time and effort to change. So neither set of options fit. However, to answer the actual question: no, they should not be allowed, for any number of reasons but mostly for simple fairness since military personal in other states would not be able to. Also because a stoner military is bad.
    What about a drunkard military? I ask because though I personally never served in the military, I have a number of good friends who have. I've heard their stories, seen their pictures and based on that, I'd say binge drinking is pretty rampant in the military. And other than legal status, I don't see a significant difference between booze and weed.

    The points you and others have made about fairness to soldiers stationed elsewhere and that soldiers are under federal law not state law all make sense and I can see opposing military use on that basis. But saying "a stoner military is bad", I don't see how its any worse or better than a military that goes out and regularly gets wasted when off the clock.
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    Re: Should troops stationed in CO and WA be allowed recreational use of marijuana?

    Should people working on nuclear weapons, nuclear armed aircraft, tanks, heavy machine guns, missiles and all that fun stuff be allowed to get high when there is no way of checking if they are like there is with alcohol?

    I maybe going out on a limb here, but I would have to say such systems and mary-jane don't mix.
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