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  • USA would never enter the war ,nazi germany would win a victory over Europe and USSR

    7 22.58%
  • USA would enter the war but get defeated by Nazis ,nazi influence would spread all over the world.

    1 3.23%
  • USA would enter the war and take over Nazi germany and a different socialist block would be shaped

    4 12.90%
  • USA would enter the war ,no socialist block would be able to formed to lead the world politics

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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Oh I agree, the job of the sub was about to cause more destruction during and after the air attacks. Had the sub still been sunk and no airstrike, things may have played out differently.
    I'm sure the Japs would have declared it an act of war and then launching a surprise attack wouldn't have been considered cowardly.
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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have read several bio's on FDR, it wasn't really Japan he was interested in fighting. He did place an embargo on Japan so we stopped sending them oil and scrap metal. But it was Germany FDR was itching to get us to go to war with. Japan did him a favor in bombing Pearl, then Hitler did him an ever bigger favor when he declared war on us a few days after Pearl. One must remember there was a very strong isolationist cause in the U.S. back then. A lot of people who thought let Europeans fight Europeans and keep us out of it. One also has to remember also the Pacific Theater war was secondary to the European war. Europe came first, the Pacific whenever the war was won in Europe.

    It is hard to say what would have happen if no Pearl Harbor. Personally I think FDR would have kept searching for a valid reason to get us involved in Europe and sooner or later he would have found it. As for the USSR, Stalin had already moved most of his factories east of the urals in case Moscow did fall. They were far from dead.
    There are always those that bait others for their own reasons - as well as those that take the bait, sometimes to their chagrin and disgust later! Human nature demands we learn the lessons about "pie-in-the-sky," the hard way, I guess.

    Why was FDR so set on getting involved in Europe - I didn't know that about him. Did he hope that we might pull out of the Great Depression by making jobs in manufacturing available here to support a war effort? He did a great job prior to that by keeping men working through his alphabet agencies, and I commend him for his thinking! People never lost hope that things would get better, and they loved and respected him for that, my family included. I'm not a Democrat, but you must give credit where it is due!

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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    USA wouldnt enter the war. Continue aiding the USSR and Western Allies through Lend Lease aid. USSR would eventually end up defeating the Axis with the Western European allies. After that, I really dont know...


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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    There are always those that bait others for their own reasons - as well as those that take the bait, sometimes to their chagrin and disgust later! Human nature demands we learn the lessons about "pie-in-the-sky," the hard way, I guess.

    Why was FDR so set on getting involved in Europe - I didn't know that about him. Did he hope that we might pull out of the Great Depression by making jobs in manufacturing available here to support a war effort? He did a great job prior to that by keeping men working through his alphabet agencies, and I commend him for his thinking! People never lost hope that things would get better, and they loved and respected him for that, my family included. I'm not a Democrat, but you must give credit where it is due!
    FDR is considered one of the three great presidents this country has had by historians. I agree with them. I will give you my best guess coming from what I have read about him, I think FDR was an Anglophile and was determined to do all he could to keep England from falling to the Nazis. Besides he and Churchill had a real good friendship. I do not think it had anything to do with getting us out of the Great Depression or even manufacturing. Lend Lease pretty much determined we were not going to get paid. I think FDR realized Hitler could very well conquer Europe and pretty much of Asia if we didn't get ourselves involved. He did have great foresight.
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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have read several bio's on FDR, it wasn't really Japan he was interested in fighting. He did place an embargo on Japan so we stopped sending them oil and scrap metal. But it was Germany FDR was itching to get us to go to war with. Japan did him a favor in bombing Pearl, then Hitler did him an ever bigger favor when he declared war on us a few days after Pearl. One must remember there was a very strong isolationist cause in the U.S. back then. A lot of people who thought let Europeans fight Europeans and keep us out of it. One also has to remember also the Pacific Theater war was secondary to the European war. Europe came first, the Pacific whenever the war was won in Europe.

    It is hard to say what would have happen if no Pearl Harbor. Personally I think FDR would have kept searching for a valid reason to get us involved in Europe and sooner or later he would have found it. As for the USSR, Stalin had already moved most of his factories east of the urals in case Moscow did fall. They were far from dead.
    yes l know about Monroe Doctrine that was about keeping out of this war and such affairs related to teh rest of the world,a policy of isolation.

    but what if nazis wouldn attack USSR ? l wonder if there was such a possibility.maybe USSR wouldnt be another world power
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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

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    Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US was petty much an Isolationist, non-interventionist country in the 30's. Without the Pearl Harbor attack, no telling how long it would have taken the US, militarily, to get involved in Europe. England was within a hairs breath of falling to Nazi Germany at the time.

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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    yes l know about Monroe Doctrine that was about keeping out of this war and such affairs related to teh rest of the world,a policy of isolation.

    but what if nazis wouldn attack USSR ? l wonder if there was such a possibility.maybe USSR wouldnt be another world power
    What if the Nazi’s didn’t attack the USSR? That is an interesting question. Hitler did attack in June of 1941, but by that time most of Europe was under his control except England which was basically the lone holdout. Hitler had signed a non-aggression Pact with the USSR and if he abided by it, I suppose Europe was his. The U.S. was in no way ready for war in June of 1941 and Pearl Harbor hadn’t happened yet.

    If Hitler didn’t invade the USSR, if he somehow was able to make peace with England which from what I read he was willing to do as he respected the English, probably them alone among the different ethnic groups of Europe. All of Europe would be speaking German today, but Hitler would have to know when to call it quits.

    Or without the invasion of the USSR, he could have concentrated all his forces on England to defeat her. But if he had done this I think FDR would have found a way to get us involved in the war without Pearl to save England. Like I said early, Lend-Lease was already going on. One of Hitler subs or something would have sunk something of ours and the outrage would have begun again like before WWI. Remember with Murrow’s reporting from London during the Blitz, that had the majority of Americans sympathetic to England for their suffering.

    There are so many if’s involved, as to your last question, would have Russia become a superpower? Not for a very long time I would say. Stalin in one of his purges had killed a lot of his top generals and he also placed some of his top scientists into gulags.

    I think one of the more interesting questions is after Hitler invaded the USSR, he tried to get the Japanese to invade north instead of south. That is to invade the USSR from the east while he was invading them from the west. If Japan had done this Stalin would have been able to recall, move his vast numbers of troops from the east facing Japan to fight Hitler from coming at him from the West. Like I said, so may if’s.
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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    Who knows?

    The Japanese might have attacked later, after further building up their forces.

    The US might not enter the war until much later, perhaps after Germany actually invades Britain, or defeats the USSR. Or both.
    If Germany had a few extra years of development, they would probably be capable of bombarding mainland USA with rockets...or long distance bombers...or both...
    They might even have obtained fuel supplies in Africa.

    Any number of things...


    Alternate history is fun, but you cannot know what might have happened.


    Edit: A better question or three - what if Hitler wasn't insane? What if he listened to his generals? What if the Nazi's didn't have death camps?
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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What if the Nazi’s didn’t attack the USSR? That is an interesting question. Hitler did attack in June of 1941, but by that time most of Europe was under his control except England which was basically the lone holdout. Hitler had signed a non-aggression Pact with the USSR and if he abided by it, I suppose Europe was his. The U.S. was in no way ready for war in June of 1941 and Pearl Harbor hadn’t happened yet. .
    The USSR would have declared war a few years later. Stalin signed the non-aggression pact to give himself time to build up his military. Had Hitler not broken the pact first, Stalin would've marched West and Europe would be speaking Russian.
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    Re: What would happen if Pearl harbor wasn't bombed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    There are always those that bait others for their own reasons - as well as those that take the bait, sometimes to their chagrin and disgust later! Human nature demands we learn the lessons about "pie-in-the-sky," the hard way, I guess.

    Why was FDR so set on getting involved in Europe - I didn't know that about him. Did he hope that we might pull out of the Great Depression by making jobs in manufacturing available here to support a war effort? He did a great job prior to that by keeping men working through his alphabet agencies, and I commend him for his thinking! People never lost hope that things would get better, and they loved and respected him for that, my family included. I'm not a Democrat, but you must give credit where it is due!
    He, correctly, believed that the greatest threat to Western democracy was posed by a Nazi victory in Europe. President Roosevelt and his advisers believed it was not in the best interests of the United States to see a Nazi hegemony arise in Europe or to have the potential for a democratic international order torn apart by Imperial Japanese rule in the Pacific. His cardinal sin was overlooking the similar threat posed by the Soviet Union.

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