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Thread: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    a game is only as good as it's players are. And it is a fact that without the players the game is worth absolutely nothing. Sterling has brought is organization and the NBA into disrepute. For the future of both his team and the NBA as a whole, he should be ousted. But than the players and the owners have to realize that this is from this point on the norm to which all wayward behavior will be compared to. And both players and other owners have to know that they too should be equally harshly punished.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I believe he owns the franchise to the team in much the same way the owner of a Mc Donalds or Wendy's owns their restaurants. Their agreement can be severed for any reason.
    Was gonna post the same thing. The team is not real "property", its more like a franchise license and its governed by a complex NBA team owners' contract. When buying the team Sterling agreed to the contract and any limitations it may have, so if he didn't like them, he shouldn't have bought the NBA franchise.

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Was gonna post the same thing. The team is not real "property", its more like a franchise license and its governed by a complex NBA team owners' contract. When buying the team Sterling agreed to the contract and any limitations it may have, so if he didn't like them, he shouldn't have bought the NBA franchise.
    That's exactly right, I posted a short Wiki piece that indeed shows the teams are franchises. I find it funny that these conservatives pride themselves on business acumen don't know ****.


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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    I have no clue how the NBA works. But if everyone who made racist and equally hurtful remarks about the "crazy old while man" had to pay a fine, we could reduce world hunger by 90%.
    Its about time bigots stop pointing fingers at each other.

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Do we have property rights?

    He owns that team, and he has done nothing to legally justify forcing him to sell that team.

    Parsing words is fun to some people, but I'm not one of them.
    He is under a contractual agreement with them, and under that agreement he does not have full control of his property. He need do nothing illegal for them to have the right to force his sale. This should be obvious to you, since they are indeed forcing the sale.

    Part of the reason for this agreement is so that the organization can get rid of people who they deem in their sole discretion are not good representatives of the organization, and this is exactly the rights they are exercising. Since he agreed to these conditions, I am not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that his property rights are being violated. When he gave up his money (property) to obtain the team (new property) he agreed to cede certain aspects of control of his property in order to actually obtain the team, and now the other party is exercising their rights under that agreement. When you enter such agreements, what you are actually ceding are some of your property rights. He gave up those property rights to the other participants of the agreement. I didn't understand that you thought there was some kind of property rights violation here, but I don't see it.

    I am not trying to parse words, I am truly trying to address whatever you might mean by your words.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    I'm just hoping that the vote is not public. If it is, they'll be forced to vote against Sterling just to appease a bunch of soapboxing blacks. Privately, I think more are like Cuban, and not willing to punish excessively.

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Doesn't matter. Part of his contract with the NBA is that any owner whose team is part of the NBA can be forced to sell...and it's this kind of situation that they needed this caveat in the contract...because if his words and actions would cost them millions of dollars, it only makes good economic sense to everyone involved. And it's not like Sterling's going to hurt.

    If you'll think about it, it's not really that much different from owning a house in a development with an HOA - if you do something with that house that is against HOA rules, they can place a lien on it - and potentially take it from you, if you do not or cannot correct the discrepancy. It doesn't matter that you're the homeowner - you've done something that detracts from the value of the other houses in the development...and just as every owner of an NBA team has a legal duty to not do that which would potentially cost the other owners millions, you as that homeowner in that development have a legal duty to not do that which would potentially drive down the values of the other houses in that development.
    I've seen several people make this point. What does this particular point matter one way or another? The people who say it seem to use it almost as a justification.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    ARTICLE 13 TERMINATION OF OWNERSHIP OR MEMBERSHIP

    (d) Fail or refuse to fulfill its contractual obligations to the Association, its Members, Players, or any other third party in such a way as to affect the Association or its Members adversely.
    http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/me...nd-By-Laws.pdf
    What contractual obligations did not fulfill?

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Given the continual embarrassment and complete lack of need of pro team "owners" (profiteers) in general, i would take all teams from their owners and give them to their respective cities.

    So yes

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    What contractual obligations did not fulfill?
    • a violation of the contractual duty of loyalty to support the league in the attainment of its proper purposes, which include among other things the league’s commitment to diversity and inclusion.
    http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/me...ion-Charge.pdf

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