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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think I'd probably vote that he should be forced to sell it. Doesn't make me happy. Apparently, though, those are the rules. I think it's reasonable to expect that there's a price to be paid for voicing one's prejudice as a public figure. Yes! Yes, I know! He didn't do it in public. But it became public. End of story.

    Paying a hefty price for inappropriate comments/conduct is certainly not without precedent. Think Dog The Bounty Hunter; Alec Baldwin; professional sports players who've lost their endorsements because of their conduct.

    How can you expect to stay as owner of a basketball team when you've as much as said you're racist? Was he tricked into it? Absolutely. And she even covered herself from a charge of illegal recording by saying he'd asked her to keep recordings of his conversations. The man's an idiot.

    I do think it should be a fair sale and not a fire sale, though. With him putting the team into his wife's sole name, perhaps he's bought some time...
    Losing endorsements is more appropriate than having something which you own taken from you. I don't equate the two in terms of severity.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Losing endorsements is more appropriate than having something which you own taken from you. I don't equate the two in terms of severity.
    I agree. People sign their rights away every day when they sign contracts. That's the ONLY way it's going to happen. He signed the contract. That's what the contract says.

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If a CEO of a corporation says something really, really stupid, and the thing that he said will so damage the brand of that corporation that they will lose a great deal of money, the DUTY of the board of directors will be to replace him ASAP, that they can protect the brand and not lose a great deal of money.
    A CEO is an employee of a company. There is certainly some basis on which to suggest that a CEO should be subject to some action, up to possibly even being fired, if he says or does something that is harmful to his employer.

    Mr. Sterling is not an employee. He's an owner. The team in question is his property. Demanding that the owner of a business sell that business—in fact, making any demand at all regarding what the owner of a business may or must do with his business—is completely different than a business demanding anything of an employee.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree. People sign their rights away every day when they sign contracts. That's the ONLY way it's going to happen. He signed the contract. That's what the contract says.
    If what I have read is fully correct, the pertinent portion(s) of the contract he signed are extremely vague. All an owner has to do is something that "adversely affects" the league. Define that, please (the league, not you). Lots of things fall into that category, and pretty much all of them are ignored. Said vagueness and subsequent cherry-picked enforcement only serves to emphasize the politically correct aspect of this whole situation.

    Hence, why I prefer the standard for forced selling to be having been convicted of a crime, or something to that effect.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The NBA Owners are going to vote on whether to force Donald Sterling to sell the LA Clippers because of the racist comments he made on that tape that was secretly recorded by his wife.

    If you had a vote in that situation, would you vote "Yes" to force him to sell the team, or do you think he shouldn't be forced to see his team and vote "no".


    After you vote, please explain your position.
    I don’t know. Did he do anything illegal? Did he break any laws? Has he discriminated against anyone? There is an old saying, “Actions speak louder than words.” Perhaps not in this case though. It does seem that Sterling has done everything in his power to make the Clippers a very competitive team and has rewarded his players regardless of race handsomely.

    I really don’t know, I suppose if one places words over and above actions, yes. If not, then no. But as Brett Butler told Scarlet O’Hara, “Frankly my dear…..
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Let's just remember, for all those who cite that Sterling signed an ownership agreement, that Al Davis signed a similar ownership agreement as owner of the Oakland, sometimes Los Angeles, Raiders. Part of his agreement was that he couldn't relocate his team without the consent of the other owners in the league - he signed that agreement - and yet, a court of law sided with him when he moved his team from Oakland to LA and then back again to Oakland. There was a similar occurrence, if I'm not mistaken, when Art Model moved the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore. In those cases, and others, the financial interests of the owners of the teams prevailed over arbitrary decisions made by the league's commissioner and other owners in the league. The same could easily be said for the NBA and its commissioner in this case.

    I wish Sterling would take the league to court just so we could see what would happen.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If a CEO of a corporation says something really, really stupid, and the thing that he said will so damage the brand of that corporation that they will lose a great deal of money, the DUTY of the board of directors will be to replace him ASAP, that they can protect the brand and not lose a great deal of money.
    They may be able to replace him, but they can not take his financial interests in the company, which is what the NBA is trying to do with Sterling.

    Sterling said something that would cost the NBA a minimum of tens of millions of dollars in revenue - if they did not act quickly and decisively, then the public would have perceived their inaction as tacit tolerance of (if not agreement with) Sterling and his comments...and perception is everything.

    In other words, the reason the other owners had to vote to take away the Clippers for him was to protect the revenue stream of all owners, because they all would have suffered significant losses as a direct result. Their actions, then, were their fiduciary DUTY as part of the group of owners of NBA teams.

    1. I don't buy it... The NBA has a fantastic reputation for participating in and contributing to, programs that benefit kids and the over all well being of American society. One owner of one team does not tarnish the leagues reputation. Will it cost them, I'm sure it will, but not the 10's of millions that have been claimed.

    2. Even if that were true, it still does not give anyone the right to force him to sell a business that legally owns, when he has committed no crime. This is not Russia, Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea, where there's no expectation of freedom or constitution protection of a persons private property.

    You can't justify stripping someones business from them on the assumption that not doing so might have negative financial repercussions. That's not how America works... If the league in the future feels they have suffered significant financial loss, and attribute that loss to words or actions of Donald Sterling, our system provides a means for legal recourse. The league is free to file a civil suit against Sterling if they feel he is legally responsible for any financial loses they may suffer in the future, and a judge will determine is the league is entitled to compensation or not.

    THAT'S HOW AMERICA WORKS.

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Let's just remember, for all those who cite that Sterling signed an ownership agreement, that Al Davis signed a similar ownership agreement as owner of the Oakland, sometimes Los Angeles, Raiders. Part of his agreement was that he couldn't relocate his team without the consent of the other owners in the league - he signed that agreement - and yet, a court of law sided with him when he moved his team from Oakland to LA and then back again to Oakland. There was a similar occurrence, if I'm not mistaken, when Art Model moved the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore. In those cases, and others, the financial interests of the owners of the teams prevailed over arbitrary decisions made by the league's commissioner and other owners in the league. The same could easily be said for the NBA and its commissioner in this case.

    I wish Sterling would take the league to court just so we could see what would happen.
    Baseball gets away with prohibiting franchise moves because they have their anti-trust exemption. The NFL has no exemption, and Davis was able to argue that their restrictions violated his rights as a business owner to do business where he chose. A simplistic version, but pretty much it.

    The others were able to do the same thing because Davis set the legal ability in place for them.

    No other sports league enjoys the same level of control that MLB has over its teams.

    If Sterling were to contest it in court, I'm not so sure he'd lose. The relevant portion of the league agreement is vague.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don’t know. Did he do anything illegal? Did he break any laws? Has he discriminated against anyone? There is an old saying, “Actions speak louder than words.” Perhaps not in this case though. It does seem that Sterling has done everything in his power to make the Clippers a very competitive team and has rewarded his players regardless of race handsomely.

    I really don’t know, I suppose if one places words over and above actions, yes. If not, then no. But as Brett Butler told Scarlet O’Hara, “Frankly my dear…..
    This is very true, and let's also not forget that the league decided two years ago that Chris Paul could not be traded to the Los Angeles Lakers and forced the player into a trade that saw him go to that bastion of racism, the Clippers. And what did this black man do when he found himself banished to the Clippers, that bastion of racism, well he decided to sign a long term deal to play for Mr. Sterling, that most evil racist of all racists, apparently capable of destroying an entire league with a few comments.

    So we have the league, apparently aware that Mr. Sterling has been an evil racist forever, and Chris Paul, a black man who can no doubt spot a racist miles away, both believing that Mr. Sterling's Clippers is a perfectly lovely place for a black basketball star to play.

    This is nothing but a trumped up social media pile-on and it's pathetic.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don’t know. Did he do anything illegal? Did he break any laws? Has he discriminated against anyone? There is an old saying, “Actions speak louder than words.” Perhaps not in this case though. It does seem that Sterling has done everything in his power to make the Clippers a very competitive team and has rewarded his players regardless of race handsomely.
    1. No
    2. No
    3. To my knowledge, no.

    I really don’t know, I suppose if one places words over and above actions, yes. If not, then no. But as Brett Butler told Scarlet O’Hara, “Frankly my dear…..
    That seems to be the premise here... Unfortunately, we seem to be allowing political correctness to replace our rights and freedoms,

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