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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The NBA Owners are going to vote on whether to force Donald Sterling to sell the LA Clippers because of the racist comments he made on that tape that was secretly recorded by his wife.

    If you had a vote in that situation, would you vote "Yes" to force him to sell the team, or do you think he shouldn't be forced to see his team and vote "no".


    After you vote, please explain your position.
    As me, no, because it doesn't affect me in the slightest. If I was an NBA owner, and his behavior was threatening to cost me money, I'd probably vote yes.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    No. While the man may be a total douchebag, forcing one to sell a team is the ultimate punishment and should be reserved for legal issues... after conviction.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    Sterling violated Article 13(d) of the NBA's constitution.
    Which says...
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Absolutely not... I vote "no". This is America and people have the right to express their thoughts and beliefs in the privacy of their own home, no matter how ignorant, stupid or hateful they are. Nobody has the right to tell a private citizen who has broken no laws, that they are no longer allowed to own a business that they legally purchaced... Nobody!

    I understand that the NBA, like other sports leagues, media and entertainment businesses have perfectly legal standards and conduct rules that the people in those industries sign a contract to legally abide by, but from my understanding Sterling did not violate any of those terms. If sterling had said those things publicly, or while he was acting on behalf of the team in his capacity as Clippers owner, that would violate the NBA's code of conduct and I would vote to strip him of his franchise. But this is different...

    I don't care how racist, ignorant, hateful or moronic Donald Sterling is, this is America and as long as you aren't breaking the law, trampling on the rights of others, or causing harm to others (offending someone is not a crime) nobody has the right to take your personal property or deny you the right to conduct business at a company that you legally paid for and own. Everyone in America has the right to think, feel and believe anything they want to privately, and to express those beliefs (whatever they may be) in the privacy of their own home, without fear of government or entrepreneurial reprisal... It's our constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... aka our "Freedom" and that's the issue here.

    For you race hustlers out there who are chomping at the bit to pounce on me, play the race card and accuse me wanting a racist to get a free pass, you couldn't be farther from the truth. Allowing Sterling to keep his team is anything but a free pass. If he is allowed to keep the team, the free market will punish him to a far greater degree financially, than forcing him to sell the team now would, and assure that the public backlash doesn't fade away anytime soon.

    If you force him to sell the team now, he will get a good price because the true financial backlash from his comments have not diminished the teams value as of yet. Allowing him to keep the team and to continue to manage it, will result in every decent, marketable player on the team to flee after the season ends and contracts expire, and no player of any quality will ever sign a contract to play with the Clippers. Meaning they are guaranteed to be losing, last place team for as long as he is owner, and season tickets, which is a huge revenue stream for NBA teams, would virtually vanish next season. Then there's the issue of TV revenue, sponsors and endorsements. No company in their right mind would want to associate, much less sponsor the Clippers, meaning that local TV will not be able to sell advertising for games and the clippers games will not be televised. The same would likely happen with radio also and would in effect, cut off every major revenue stream and in a very short amount of time, totally bankrupt the organisation... Sterling will then be stuck with a worthless franchise that's costing him millions, that nobody will be interested in buying, and even if he did manage to find a buyer, would only get a small fraction of what he would get if he is forced to sell the team now, while it's still marketable.

    There is one more bright spot in letting him keep the team... If he is forced out now, this whole issue disappears in a few years and Sterling's life on a personal level, a comfort level, will return to normal and he won't suffer any more grief publicly over his words. Keeping the team however, will keep him in the spotlight, keep his name in the newspapers, keep him in the publics eye, and guarantee that this issue will not go away so easily. He'll have to deal with the public backlash for many years and possibly, for the rest of his life.

    Stripping a persons of their rights and freedoms just because you disagree with their words, thoughts and beliefs, is flat out wrong. That's not the American way and not how we're supposed to do things in this country. Stand true to the constitution and the principals that have made this country great, and believe me Donald Sterling will suffer in more ways than one at the hands of the free market.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    No. He said what he did in the privacy of his own home. If he had said something publically I'd be on the fence. As is he shouldn't have even gotten punished to begin with.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    I've thought long and hard about this.

    I ended up voting "no," and here's why. First of all, what he said, in my opinion, was just awful. It was a terrible thing to say, and just proves that racism is alive and well. That being said, he said it in the privacy of his home, and was illegally taped doing so. You shouldn't be forcibly punished for something you say. That being said, I don't think he deserves to own the team. He should lose the team, but he should lose it the hard way - by losing sponsers, by losing players, etc. There are worse ways to hurt somebody than to force them to sell their team for hundreds of millions of dollars. That's not going to hurt him at all. He still has his money.

    Hit him where it hurts - in the wallet - and that will be the best punishment.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The NBA Owners are going to vote on whether to force Donald Sterling to sell the LA Clippers because of the racist comments he made on that tape that was secretly recorded by his wife.

    If you had a vote in that situation, would you vote "Yes" to force him to sell the team, or do you think he shouldn't be forced to see his team and vote "no".


    After you vote, please explain your position.
    My vote is no - I'm strongly opposed to mob rule dictating personal rights.

    Just as an aside, I'd like to know when the current "ownership" agreement language came into effect. Was it before or after Sterling purchased his team? If it had been in place prior to his gaining ownership, then I'm more receptive to the position that he breached his agreement with the league. If, however, the agreement language came into effect after his purchase of the team - if new language was voted on by the ownership group without unanimous consent - then I'm less receptive to the league position. If he was an owner and he was forced to sign off on new ownership language he disagreed with that seems like coercion to me.
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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Which says...
    ARTICLE 13 TERMINATION OF OWNERSHIP OR MEMBERSHIP

    (d) Fail or refuse to fulfill its contractual obligations to the Association, its Members, Players, or any other third party in such a way as to affect the Association or its Members adversely.
    http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/me...nd-By-Laws.pdf

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The NBA Owners are going to vote on whether to force Donald Sterling to sell the LA Clippers because of the racist comments he made on that tape that was secretly recorded by his wife.

    If you had a vote in that situation, would you vote "Yes" to force him to sell the team, or do you think he shouldn't be forced to see his team and vote "no".

    After you vote, please explain your position.
    I think I'd probably vote that he should be forced to sell it. Doesn't make me happy. Apparently, though, those are the rules. I think it's reasonable to expect that there's a price to be paid for voicing one's prejudice as a public figure. Yes! Yes, I know! He didn't do it in public. But it became public. End of story.

    Paying a hefty price for inappropriate comments/conduct is certainly not without precedent. Think Dog The Bounty Hunter; Alec Baldwin; professional sports players who've lost their endorsements because of their conduct.

    How can you expect to stay as owner of a basketball team when you've as much as said you're racist? Was he tricked into it? Absolutely. And she even covered herself from a charge of illegal recording by saying he'd asked her to keep recordings of his conversations. The man's an idiot.

    I do think it should be a fair sale and not a fire sale, though. With him putting the team into his wife's sole name, perhaps he's bought some time...

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    Re: Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The vast majority of the NBA players are racist.

    1. Dennis Rodman -> Made racist comments against Larry Bird and got away with it. If a white player were have made the same comments about black players, there would have been outrage and demanding that he sell all of his persoanal assesses..

    2. Kobe Bryant -> Committing flagrant fouls only to foreigners and minorities.

    3. Shaq -> Racist against Asians.

    4. Isiah Thomas -> Made racist comments against Larry Bird, making stupid statements about white people in court during his legal troubles.

    5. KG -> Sucker punching white people.


    Heya Apache. I was just thinking about some of the stuff Rodman has said.....still think if someone like Lebron is caught on a Cellphone in some rant and they catch him using racial language.....my my my, just think how things are going to get ugly about Forcing one such as him out......in shame.

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