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  • Today, including the time after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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    When was America most free as a nation?

    Was it before the Civil War, or before WWI, or before the Civil Rights Act, or today?

    And why do you think so?
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Today.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Definitely today, despite recent attacks on the Bill of Rights. Tomorrow? I'm not so sure.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    The US, as a nation, free from what?
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The US, as a nation, free from what?
    As in the rights, the personal freedoms of the people. I should have been clearer on that. Thanks.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Was it before the Civil War, or before WWI, or before the Civil Rights Act, or today?

    And why do you think so?

    Matter of perspective.


    It would be easy for a white male to choose almost any of the options in question, IF he didn't stop and think about all those not-white-males who were quite un-free in previous eras.


    If you overlook that fact, or hypothesized equal rights for all from the beginning, the 19th century looks a lot more free and unregulated than modern times.


    However, the late 19th/early 20th century was also a time when there was great corruption in gov't, industrial barons ruled the economy, working conditions in factories were appalling, and you were free to starve if you couldn't find work.


    So it is hard to say. Every era has its problems... in modern times we suffer from loss of privacy (NSA spying), excessive Executive power (EOs), unelected agencies regulating with the power of law (EPA, etc), infringements on many Bill of Rights items in the name of the War on Drugs/Terror/etc... but if we can address these issues we could still have a free future.
    Last edited by Goshin; 05-24-14 at 03:04 PM. Reason: corrected, got my "centuries" wrong...

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    As in the rights, the personal freedoms of the people. I should have been clearer on that. Thanks.
    That is a good question. Obviously some freedoms have been expanded, such as ending slavery and expanding the vote, but others have been reduced, such as keeping more of your income, commerce without a license and untaxed/unlicensed traveling on public roadways and waterways. I would say that, on balance, more people now enjoy less freedom - does that make sense?
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Was it before the Civil War, or before WWI, or before the Civil Rights Act, or today?

    And why do you think so?
    I didn't mark a poll option because you didn't give me my option which would be between the end of the Revolutionary War to roughly the Teddy Roosevelt Administration that started the ball rolling back into the people being subjects to their government instead of the other way around. It then took some decades after the TR Administration for government to make the transition from a government of the people, by the people, for the people to a massive and growing ever more totalitarian entity that mostly serves itself and assigns the rights that the people are allowed to have. That transition started off very slowly but has been gaining mass and momentum ever since.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is a good question. Obviously some freedoms have been expanded, such as ending slavery and expanding the vote, but others have been reduced, such as keeping more of your income, commerce without a license and untaxed/unlicensed traveling on public roadways and waterways. I would say that, on balance, more people now enjoy less freedom - does that make sense?
    I understand what you are saying...but I would reply that the lack of freedoms to which you refer are largely concerning business and money, whereas personal freedoms are significantly greater now than before.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I didn't mark a poll option because you didn't give me my option which would be between the end of the Revolutionary War to roughly the Teddy Roosevelt Administration that started the ball rolling back into the people being subjects to their government instead of the other way around. It then took some decades after the TR Administration for government to make the transition from a government of the people, by the people, for the people to a massive and growing ever more totalitarian entity that mostly serves itself and assigns the rights that the people are allowed to have. That transition started off very slowly but has been gaining mass and momentum ever since.
    Really? You do realize, of course, that included in the time you show are slavery for the first 89 or so years of our country's existence, and Jim Crow for all nonwhites afterwards...and women could not vote until something like 1921. And let's not forget that LGBT's basically had zero rights until public opinion finally began shifting in the 1990's.

    But of course if we consider only white heterosexual males, you're right that it was freer then than it is now.
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