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  • Between the end of the Revolutionary War and the start of the Civil War?

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  • Between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of World War One?

    3 4.62%
  • Between the end of WWI and the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

    4 6.15%
  • Today, including the time after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You really don't want to answer the question, do you? You know better than to do so, huh? I asked you first, and you're trying to distract with the question. Please directly answer the question, and then I will answer yours.
    I answered the question. Again and again. I think maybe you don't want to accept the answer.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    Those videos and the lack of reporting by the national drive-by media speak for itself. No, I don't need bleeding hearts, such as yourself, brainwashed by our public school system, telling me anything about the perfect behavior of our black citizenry in this country. Or how bad they are treated by whites. Videos say it all. Along with the LOCAL news reports. I moved my family out of St. Louis city, 37 years ago, in July. FOR A REASON. The city of St. Louis peaked just short of 900,000 in the early 1950s. Today it has about about 310,000 residents...about 250,000 of which are black. There is a REASON for that. But, without doubt, you wouldn't understand it...dude.

    Tell it to someone who gives a crap.
    Like I said, I used to be one of you - I understand you better than you think - your language, the reasons you give for your actions (and I honestly believe that you were doing what you felt was best for you and yours, and you may well have been right), and (here's the part you're not really aware of) the underlying factors that led you to give those reasons.

    Of course now that I've said that, you're making lots of assumptions as to how I can't know...

    ...but I do. It's so simple, so obvious...and you're so close to it that you can't see it. That's what my journey did for me - it enabled me to understand step away and see the bigger picture, and that allows me to why you think, speak, and act the way you do. It's just as if I walked onto a Navy ship today and listened to an old chief - I'd understand all the things about him as I do about you...and for the same reason - because I used to be just like him. But I'll never change the way you think, of course.

    All that will almost certainly tick you off. That, too, is understandable. Nobody likes being told what I've told you above.

    Look, you're not a bad person at all. You are trying your level best to do what you honestly feel to be good and right. If you saw a black man in danger, without a second thought you'd risk your life to save him. I believe that with all my heart. But - and you knew the 'but' was coming - you've got to get out of your comfort zone, listen to stuff that's outside the right-wing echo chamber. That's what I did, what I was forced to do by my experiences overseas...and it was a remarkable leap, to finally understand why the South is the way it is, to understand why my fellow whites there think and act as they do.

    The only problem is, once you yourself make that same leap, you won't see your friends in the same way, and they won't see you in the same way, either - they'll always be on their guard around you. You'll know this, and it will make you sad...but you would never for a moment consider going back to that mindset that you knew so very well.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I answered the question. Again and again. I think maybe you don't want to accept the answer.
    No, you did not. You tried to answer with a question, but that question did not answer my question at all.

    But that's okay - I understand - you don't want to answer that question because you know the position it would put you in. Don't worry - I'm used to it.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You took the words right out of my mouth.

    I chose option #2, from the end of the civil war until WWI, because we are talking about the nation as a whole, aka on a federal level. Once slavery was abolished, everyone in America had the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A black person's vote was finally counted the same as a white persons vote, and just after WWI women received nationally, the right to vote.

    Our freedoms have been disappearing little by little ever since and things are worse today than they have ever been.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    No, you did not. You tried to answer with a question, but that question did not answer my question at all.

    But that's okay - I understand - you don't want to answer that question because you know the position it would put you in. Don't worry - I'm used to it.
    No. You don't understand. And I did answer the question.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is a good question. Obviously some freedoms have been expanded, such as ending slavery and expanding the vote, but others have been reduced, such as keeping more of your income, commerce without a license and untaxed/unlicensed traveling on public roadways and waterways. I would say that, on balance, more people now enjoy less freedom - does that make sense?
    No. Taxes doesn't mean you lose freedom.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I didn't mark a poll option because you didn't give me my option which would be between the end of the Revolutionary War to roughly the Teddy Roosevelt Administration that started the ball rolling back into the people being subjects to their government instead of the other way around. It then took some decades after the TR Administration for government to make the transition from a government of the people, by the people, for the people to a massive and growing ever more totalitarian entity that mostly serves itself and assigns the rights that the people are allowed to have. That transition started off very slowly but has been gaining mass and momentum ever since.
    Between the end of the Revolution and TR administration women were considered second class citizens and didn't have the right to vote. Is that your idea of freedom?

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    right before 9/11

    We were moving in the right direction before that, but now we're headed in the wrong direction.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Between the end of the Revolution and TR administration women were considered second class citizens and didn't have the right to vote. Is that your idea of freedom?
    Yeah, her answer is surprising, especially given the fact that she's a woman, too.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Make marijuana legal for adults and I'll say now.

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