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  • Between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of World War One?

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  • Between the end of WWI and the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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  • Today, including the time after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Depends upon where in America. We're 50 states, each with their own character and freedoms/restrictions.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yeah, but for which group of people? There were many groups which had government-sanctioned social restrictions, or government-created restrictions. I mean, for me, it's no question. Post Civil Rights Act, I have been granted both social access (which libertarians see as coercive) as well as a removal of many governmental restrictions traditionally placed on folks in my broad category.

    which is why i noted in a previous post-depends on whom you ask



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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Depends upon where in America. We're 50 states, each with their own character and freedoms/restrictions.
    Exactly. It depends more upon when and where, than just the "when."

    As far as that question is concerned, I'd say that the most "free" time and place in American history was likely to be found somewhere along the Western Frontier in the mid to late 19th Century.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    which is why i noted in a previous post-depends on whom you ask
    Kind of, but I did notice you defined it in a more traditional understanding of being given in excess rather than equal access. "If you are a leftist and freedom means an affirmative duty on others to give you something, then perhaps today."

    But the reality is, for many groups, the Post-Civil Rights era also had removed government barriers.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The war on drugs was and is completely unnecessary...and did not work, since its main focus was not on treatment and prevention, but on enforcement. The inclusion of the war on drugs actually works to support my "you pay anyway" point.

    And when it comes to poverty, I'm sure that you will agree that there will always be poverty - it can never be eliminated. The fact that it can never be eliminated means that there will be a point that we can no longer diminish the poverty rate no matter how much we spend. The trick is to know where that bottom is, and how much we must spend in order to keep the poverty rate from rising above that level. But the key is, you will pay anyway, either for the social safety net, or for the results of not having a social safety net. It's like the old oil commercial - "You can pay me now, or pay me later"...the implication obviously being, "but you WILL pay no matter what".
    We have long ago passed that point.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So...if a certain population of America doesn't have the rights of the rest of the population, that's okay with you?
    Show me where I said anything close to that....dude. No....dude. We should ALL have the SAME RIGHTS....dude.

    And when it comes to white racism...dude, I'm from the Deep South - don't tell me how terrible white males have it compared to blacks. They were and in many ways still very much are victims of white racism. You can deny that all day long if you like, but you can't change history.
    Good for you....dude. So am I from the Deep South. Don't tell me how terrible black males have it compared to whites. There are even more white victims of not only racism, but race violence by blacks in this country every damn day. Not to mention the black on black violence....every day...dude.

    I'm not trying to change 'history'...dude. I'm talking about RIGHT the hell TODAY....dude.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    after the cold war.

    1990-200

    in 2001 you had 9/11 and that changed the ball game entirely.
    before the fall of the berlin wall it was all that spying crap going on.

    ofc, this is a broad stroke. It's not to take into consideration the various stages of freedom for each group in each state. It's more of a generalist view.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Was it before the Civil War, or before WWI, or before the Civil Rights Act, or today?

    And why do you think so?
    for a brief few years between the beginning of the Adams administration and the end of the Jefferson administration.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Incandescent bulbs and high-water-use toilets waste resources that are becoming more scarce to the population as a whole. Which is more important - your personal right to unnecessarily waste resources, or doing that which maximizes the resources available to the population as a whole?



    Again, which is more important - your 'right' to unnecessarily waste resources, or maximizing the availability of those resources to the population as a whole?



    I defy you to find a nation where the government does not reserve the right to take your property if it feels a very real need to do so. In other words, unless you live somewhere where you are not a member of any nation, you never truly own your land - the government can take it if they really feel the need to do so. This has been true in every government, ever. The only difference is that in most first-world democracies like America, it's harder for the nation to do so...but they still can. So get over it.



    Yeah, you're special - you'll never, ever need healthcare that you wouldn't be able to afford, and shame on the government for enforcing a law that saves you money and ensures you have access to almost any health care you need, and you can't be denied or dropped. Shame on the government for doing that, huh?



    If you'll check, this has been the case all through American history...and in most other nations, too.



    Not so much - the iceberg's not what it once was - global warming, y'know....
    The inalienable right to be who and what I am with impunity is what the Founders risked all they owned and their very lives to give me and sealed it with an amazing document called the Constitution. For somebody else to presume to dictate who and what I must be and how I am required to live my life for 'the greater good' is the precise kind of totalitarianism the Founders fought a costly and bloody war to ensure I would never have to be subject to that.

    Who decides who is worthy to judge how I must live my life? Who is noble enough or pure enough not to succumb to temptation to use such power for their own benefit? And once they do, who is empowered to tell them to cease and desist and make it stick?

    We either are a people who govern ourselves as the Founders intended or we give up all our freedom to a government that dictates what liberties and privileges we are allowed to have and can just as quickly take away those same liberties and privileges.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Making a basic living unfettered by gov't regulation is not small matter as a personal freedom.
    Which is a right that women didn't have until the past 50 years or so.
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