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  • Between the end of the Revolutionary War and the start of the Civil War?

    18 27.69%
  • Between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of World War One?

    3 4.62%
  • Between the end of WWI and the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

    4 6.15%
  • Today, including the time after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

    40 61.54%
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How can anyone possibly know how many libertarians vote Republican?
    Or how many vegetarians eat meat.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Was it before the Civil War, or before WWI, or before the Civil Rights Act, or today?

    And why do you think so?
    Now, because no slavery, no Jim Crow, women's rights, gay marriage....
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Matter of perspective.


    It would be easy for a white male to choose almost any of the options in question, IF he didn't stop and think about all those not-white-males who were quite un-free in previous eras.


    If you overlook that fact, or hypothesized equal rights for all from the beginning, the 19th century looks a lot more free and unregulated than modern times.


    However, the late 19th/early 20th century was also a time when there was great corruption in gov't, industrial barons ruled the economy, working conditions in factories were appalling, and you were free to starve if you couldn't find work.


    So it is hard to say. Every era has its problems... in modern times we suffer from loss of privacy (NSA spying), excessive Executive power (EOs), unelected agencies regulating with the power of law (EPA, etc), infringements on many Bill of Rights items in the name of the War on Drugs/Terror/etc... but if we can address these issues we could still have a free future.
    Very good answer. My first gut reaction was the first half of the 19th century, but then I quickly thought of the injustices of slavery, the lack of women's rights, and such. Not a good time to live in if you were not a white male. If I had to pick based on the overall level of freedom, I'd have to go with modern times. That's not an endorsement of a lot of the excessive government regulation, oversight, and outright surveillance we have now. Those things are a problem and reduce our freedom, but if my choice is between today's ridiculous War on Drugs and Terror, NSA snooping, and all the other problems or going back to the time of slavery and when women had severely limited rights, I'll pick the modern world and all its short comings.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And so must be the 80% of the libertarians who vote Republican, I guess.
    *Sigh* No, it simply means that most libertarians who vote for one of the two mainstream parties value the areas where the agree with the Republicans more than the areas where they agree with the Democrats. It doesn't mean they endorse the Republican platform in its entirety.

    Now Paul is/was pro-life, but there are plenty of other pro-life libertarians. Its a minority wing of the ideology, but it does exist. On the issue of same sex marriage, Ron Paul that he personally believes marriage is between a man and a woman and opposes redefining marriage at the federal level. He believes it should be left to the states. Furthermore, he has stated he would like all levels of government to get out of the marriage defining business,


    “I think the government should just be out of it. I think it should be done by the church or private contract, and we shouldn’t have this argument. Who’s married and who isn’t married. I have my standards but I shouldn’t have to impose my standards on others. Other people have their standards and they have no right to impose their marriage standards on me.”
    In Liberty Defined he wrote:
    “In a free society…all voluntary and consensual agreements would be recognized. There should essentially be no limits to the voluntary definition of marriage.”

    “Everyone can have his or her own definition of what marriage means, and if an agreement or contract is reached by the participants, it would qualify as a civil contract if desired…Why not tolerate everyone’s definition as long as neither side uses force to impose its views on the other? Problem solved!”
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Now, because no slavery, no Jim Crow, women's rights, gay marriage....
    The really shocking thing about this poll is the number of people who voted for the early years of our nation. Considering that nearly an entire race of people was held in slavery and half of the ones who were not were little better than farm animals in many eyes - I guess the right wing has a very strange concept of freedom.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    I'm going to keep a screenshot of this poll. This poll is a good indicator of just how shallow some posters view of liberty really is. Even today, many people in America still haven't managed to internalize that people other than white heterosexual males have rights too.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    only if you assume that a fetus isn't a person
    Who gets to decide, me or the government?
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Who gets to decide, me or the government?
    the voters
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    the voters
    Ok, then, direct democracy. Let's put it on a referendum: Is a fetus a person? Yes, or no.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Ok, then, direct democracy. Let's put it on a referendum: Is a fetus a person? Yes, or no.
    I'm pretty sure that that would require a Constitutional Amendment.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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