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  • Between the end of the Revolutionary War and the start of the Civil War?

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  • Between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of World War One?

    3 4.62%
  • Between the end of WWI and the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

    4 6.15%
  • Today, including the time after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

    40 61.54%
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Except for the fact that some countries have more gay rights than we do, how are we less free than other first-world nations? And while there's a lot of third-world nations where businesses are a lot freer than America, you've got to look at the other side of the coin - that freedom comes with a price, and part of that price is worker exploitation beyond anything we've seen in America since before WWII. This is not to say there are nations that are freer in many ways...but you just have to be careful to look at the big picture, because there's a heck of a lot more to freedom than most people think.
    I made mention that it was by individual measures and not by an overall view. By an overall view, there is not a totally free nation.

    Germany has begun shifting to a freer market in many aspects and, as far as I know, it is going swimmingly.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Before the Europeans arrived.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really? You mean like alleged uber-libertarian Ron Paul supports gay marriage rights and abortion rights? Oh, wait - he doesn't. And if you'll check, 80% of libertarians vote Republican.
    If he doesn't support liberty, including marriage and reproductive rights, then the allegation that he is a libertarian must be false.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If he doesn't support liberty, including marriage and reproductive rights, then the allegation that he is a libertarian must be false.
    And so must be the 80% of the libertarians who vote Republican, I guess.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Outside of gay marriage, I think just before 9/11 and all the terrorist paranoia that ensued following that awful day.

    I was going to include illicit drug use with gay marriage - but then I remembered that most presently illegal drugs were once legal long ago in America.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    I made mention that it was by individual measures and not by an overall view. By an overall view, there is not a totally free nation.

    Germany has begun shifting to a freer market in many aspects and, as far as I know, it is going swimmingly.
    There never will be, never can be a totally free nation. But it's as I've said many times, too much of anything is bad - including freedom.

    I know that last phrase sounds offensive at first glance, but think about it - in the modern world, without regulation, there is no technological progress. It is regulation that allows people in a modern society to be on the same page in everything from language to driving to research to operation of an airline.

    The key is maintaining the best balance between regulation and freedom - how to accept all the regulation that is crucial to modern first-world nations while maximizing the amount of personal rights and freedoms that keep us sane.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If he doesn't support liberty, including marriage and reproductive rights, then the allegation that he is a libertarian must be false.
    Supporting abortion rights is no more libertarian than supporting the right to life. It's one right vs. another. The libertarian philosophy is neutral on abortion.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And so must be the 80% of the libertarians who vote Republican, I guess.
    How can anyone possibly know how many libertarians vote Republican?
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Supporting abortion rights is no more libertarian than supporting the right to life. It's one right vs. another. The libertarian philosophy is neutral on abortion.
    It is not neutral on the idea of government vs the individual making such an important personal choice.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is not neutral on the idea of government vs the individual making such an important personal choice.
    only if you assume that a fetus isn't a person
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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