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  • Between the end of the Revolutionary War and the start of the Civil War?

    18 27.69%
  • Between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of World War One?

    3 4.62%
  • Between the end of WWI and the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

    4 6.15%
  • Today, including the time after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

    40 61.54%
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Compared to the last forty years, I think the Iran negotiations are going quite well....

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/24/wo...says.html?_r=0
    The disclosure was buried in a report by the atomic agency that detailed major progress Iran had made in diluting most of its stockpile of medium-enriched uranium, nuclear fuel that the West has long feared could be converted relatively quickly into weapons-grade material. Getting Iran to dilute that uranium was perhaps the biggest single accomplishment of the interim deal struck last year, creating room for the current negotiations, which hit their first major roadblock last week.....
    If Iran wasn't co-operating and meeting certain milestones there would have been any negotiations at all.


    Araqchi who is the second-ranking person in the nuclear talks with the major powers (the five permanent members of the UN Security Council and Germany) said the Vienna talks neither failed nor ended in a deadlock.
    Iran will not give concessions: nuclear negotiator - Tehran Times


    Arachi, Iran's second top negotiator said that "the Vienna talks neither failed nor ended in a deadlock." The next round of talks are scheduled to resume in mid June. But there are some people who don't seem to want the US to negotiate with Iran and keep trying to throw a monkey wrench into the talks......

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, one side believes that freedom from discrimination is a right...while the other side seems to believe that freedom to discriminate is a right. At least that's what I gathered from my (quite unscientific) poll here on DP, where the "right to discriminate" was vociferously defended by those on the right...and ONLY those on the right.
    What about economic issues? What about gun rights? What about limiting political speech? Both sides support freedoms that the other side opposes.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    REALLY???? All your conservative friends want pot to be legalized for adults? ALL of them? Well, you DO live in New England. But let's see what the numbers say, shall we?

    This Gallup poll says only 34% of conservatives and 35% of Republicans support legalization (as opposed to 69% of liberals)...

    ...but that poll is three years old. Let's look at some newer ones.

    At the 2014 CPAC, 41% of Republicans supported legalization for all uses (and I assume that means by adults), while 52% said that they either supported it for medical uses or that it should remain illegal altogether.

    Here's what a poll said about the opinion of Texas conservatives this past March:

    Overall, 23 percent of Texas voters think that marijuana should be illegal in all circumstances, but opposition grows to 32 percent when we focus on Republican voters. Conversely, 77 percent of liberals think that small or large amounts of marijuana should be made legal for any purpose, but among conservatives, that support drops to 35 percent. Add the 32 percent of conservatives who would only legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes, and you see that the majority of the voters who drive elections in Texas remain clear-eyed in their opposition to recreational pot use.

    But that's conservatives down in Texas, and they've often got a different outlook than conservatives up in New England, right? So here's what a poll found a few days ago in New York:

    Support for recreational marijuana is also divided among political party lines. Democrats favor legalization by 62-32 percent and independent voters approve of it by 53-42 percent. Republicans polled, however, oppose it by 69-28 percent.

    However, support for medical marijuana was strong for both parties. Republicans favor it by 74-23 percent, while Democrats are in favor by 87-12 percent.


    So maybe all your personal conservative friends do support legalization for recreational purposes...but you and your friends are in the significant minority of conservatives overall, regardless of where you live. And then there's the small matter that there are precisely ZERO red states that are even seriously considering legalization.

    So...yeah, it IS your side that's holding back legalization of marijuana for adults for recreational purposes. I've got no doubt that this will change, that support on your side will grow as the years pass - and more quickly than many expect. But for right now...no. There's too many old people driving your side's policies.
    Your post is way too long. Word of advice...make it shorter and then it makes it worth reading.

    I don't have a "side", for the second time.

    Nope, I never met a fellow conservative who opposes the legalization of pot for adults.

    Polls in Texas are irrelevant to me.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Your post is way too long. Word of advice...make it shorter and then it makes it worth reading.

    I don't have a "side", for the second time.

    Nope, I never met a fellow conservative who opposes the legalization of pot for adults.

    Polls in Texas are irrelevant to me.
    And the poll in NY is irrelevant, and so is the nationwide poll, and any other hard numbers shown to you...and the simple fact that the number of conservative states that are even considering legalization of marijuana is ZERO.

    You really do have a problem with numbers, huh?

    Like I said, I honestly don't doubt what you say about what your particular circle of conservative friends think - that's within the statistical margin of error that you and your particular group agree on legalization of marijuana. BUT when the bigger picture is examined - AWAY from your particular group of conservatives - we see a completely different set of numbers...and those numbers CLEARLY show that the set of American citizens who most strongly oppose legalization of marijuana are CONSERVATIVE, and that the ones who most strongly support it are LIBERAL.
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And the poll in NY is irrelevant, and so is the nationwide poll, and any other hard numbers shown to you...and the simple fact that the number of conservative states that are even considering legalization of marijuana is ZERO.

    You really do have a problem with numbers, huh?

    Like I said, I honestly don't doubt what you say about what your particular circle of conservative friends think - that's within the statistical margin of error that you and your particular group agree on legalization of marijuana. BUT when the bigger picture is examined - AWAY from your particular group of conservatives - we see a completely different set of numbers...and those numbers CLEARLY show that the set of American citizens who most strongly oppose legalization of marijuana are CONSERVATIVE, and that the ones who most strongly support it are LIBERAL.
    Fascinating.

    And?

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And the poll in NY is irrelevant, and so is the nationwide poll, and any other hard numbers shown to you...and the simple fact that the number of conservative states that are even considering legalization of marijuana is ZERO.

    You really do have a problem with numbers, huh?

    Like I said, I honestly don't doubt what you say about what your particular circle of conservative friends think - that's within the statistical margin of error that you and your particular group agree on legalization of marijuana. BUT when the bigger picture is examined - AWAY from your particular group of conservatives - we see a completely different set of numbers...and those numbers CLEARLY show that the set of American citizens who most strongly oppose legalization of marijuana are CONSERVATIVE, and that the ones who most strongly support it are LIBERAL.
    and the ones who support gun rights are conservative. The ones who support marriage rights and reproductiver rights are liberals. The ones who support all of the above, along with legalization of pot, oppose the Patriot Act and asset forfeiture, are the libertarians.

    Now, who is the most pro liberty?
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Was it before the Civil War, or before WWI, or before the Civil Rights Act, or today?

    And why do you think so?
    The United States are not a nation. They are a federation of sovereign states.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    The United States are not a nation. They are a federation of sovereign states.
    What does this have to do with the discussion?
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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What does this have to do with the discussion?
    The question was, "When was America most free as a nation". If the question was referring the the United States, it is important to point out that the United States are a federation of sovereign states, not a nation.

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    Re: When was America most free as a nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    The question was, "When was America most free as a nation". If the question was referring the the United States, it is important to point out that the United States are a federation of sovereign states, not a nation.
    You mean since the Confederacy won the civil war?
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