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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I really don't think they are subsidized but many people in here are making that claim. I hope that one of us in the thread has enough motivation and time to find out if the post office is subsidized or not.

    It would change the way I feel about the subject if I found out that they were subsidized. I honestly don't believe that they are.
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    Not paying parking tickets and monopoly powers are certainly a form of subsidy. In addition, The Post Office doesn't have to pay state or local taxes, and it gets to borrow billions from the government at reduced rates ($10.2 billion, by the end of this year, according to the GAO.) Last year, the FTC found that the Post Office received implicit subsidies of $34 to $117 million -- and that's not counting the monopoly, its biggest benefit.
    The Post Office IS Subsidized | Stossel's Take Blog | Stossel | Fox Business

    From November 2012:

    Just in time for Christmas season the U.S. Postal Service has presented taxpayers with a record deficit of $15.9 billion annual loss to go with a recently approved increase in postage rates, according to a Wall Street Journal report.

    The cash-hemorrhaging heavily-subsidized host of snail-snail mail edged closer to its own fiscal cliff as email and online transactions continue to cut into postal profits of outdated services in the Internet era. Meanwhile, private companies including Federal Express and UPS have captured much of the parcel/package business while the Postal Service depends on taxpayers to stay in the game.

    The fiscal year ended Sept. 30 and follows the Postal Service's $11.1 billion default payment for retiree-health-benefit payments announced earlier this year.
    U.S. Postal Service back for record $14 billion subsidy - Tampa Bay Tampa Top News | Examiner.com

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True, but what that means is that you can't stick a letter in an envelope, put a US Postage Stamp on it, and give to a non-USPS carrier. But you can take that letter, stick in the carriers envelope and pay them to deliver it

    Meaning, the private carriers can't do it for so low a price.
    That's true. Private carriers can't do it for so low a price. Neither can the USPS.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The USPS is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.
    The USPS is funded solely by postage fees. None of your taxes ever pay for mail delivery within the United States. Only mail to military overseas is subsidized.
    The Fed X prices you showed were ground and may take over a week... three day rates are twice as much. US mail goes over 2000 miles in three days.
    Still waiting for you to tell how Fed X is better.
    Its not soley funded by fees. If you look at their financials they get billions in capital support.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's true. Private carriers can't do it for so low a price. Neither can the USPS.
    And yet, they do.

    PS - No interest loans, tax exclusions and govt monopolies are technically not "subsidies". However, they certainly are govt interventions in the marketplace that benefit the USPS by giving it a competitive advantage over private carriers. But there's a reason why the govt does this - the USPS provides a public benefit.

    If left in the hands of the private sector, big businesses would be able to negotiate discounts and the USPS would have to increase the price of first class mail to compensate which would increase costs for consumers and small business. Mail service is sort of like a public utility in the way that roads and electrical service (amongst other things) are. We all benefit from its' existence.

    However, that doesn't mean that the service can't be improved. Whether or not door-to-door delivery is a necessity, or even a good thing, is debatable.
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The same type of plan is being phased in here in Canada. My only objection to the plan, personally, is that here in Canada the post office delivers scads of junk mail and flyers and I'm not going down the block daily to pick up junk to carry back home and toss in my recycle bin. They better have recycle bins right on the site of the community boxes or the neighbors in the direct vicinity are going to have their lawns covered in discarded flyers and junk. Out of principle, I will simply collect all the junk mail and walk it to the outgoing postal box and dump it in there if they continue as they do currently.
    Its funny, because we do have trash bins right next to our apt complex mail boxes. And theyre always full. Thats a lot of wasted time, money, and trees.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    They could adopt the technology that John Doerr says they rejected in a startup he had funded years ago that would save the taxpayers a lot of money. Why did they reject the technology? Because the bureaucrats found out it would cost many of them their jobs. Also, I bet there are many fidos against the plan of action.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The story is our US Post Office is loosing tons of money - the reasons are a bit complex but suffice to say they have been running in the red for quite some time and something has to give. A recent bill H.R. 4670, Secure Delivery for America Act of 2014 -- was approved by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee recently. This bill basically removes at home delivery and creates a centralized delivery mailbox (outdoors or indoors) where people will need to travel to pick up their daily mail, USPS packages, etc. The saving is estimated (yeah right - sorry but government identifying savings is like NASA stumbling on a "faster than the speed of light warp drive") to be $2 Billion per year.


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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    If mail is stopped how would people receive their bills and pay them afterwards?

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is illegal for UPS and Fed Ex to handle first-class mail.

    And unless and until the post office is no longer subsidized, private enterprise is hog-tied.
    can't agree with this, maggie
    i remember when only the USPS delivered packages
    then UPS and fedX got in the package delivery business and flourished despite the postal service's inherent advantages
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I like the plan but I think it is 20 years too early. Some older people won't appreciate it. There is still a large portion of the population that doesn't know how to use the internet to check the balance on their electric bill, water bill, phone bill, etc. They were going to close the Post Office on Saturdays in August 2013 and congress said, "Oh hell no you won't."

    Is this really being seriously considered? I don't see it coming into fruition any time soon.
    I think they are seriously considering it - I am guessing it will depend on it's implementation and some seniors may still get at home delivery but probably not 6 days a week if this goes through. I think it's a solid plan actually and have privately talked about it for in the past few years with friends and family on rare occasion.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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