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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The story is our US Post Office is loosing tons of money - the reasons are a bit complex but suffice to say they have been running in the red for quite some time and something has to give.
    Nearly every govt agency operates "in the red", including our military which has never shown a profit.
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The story is our US Post Office is loosing tons of money - the reasons are a bit complex but suffice to say they have been running in the red for quite some time and something has to give. A recent bill H.R. 4670, Secure Delivery for America Act of 2014 -- was approved by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee recently. This bill basically removes at home delivery and creates a centralized delivery mailbox (outdoors or indoors) where people will need to travel to pick up their daily mail, USPS packages, etc. The saving is estimated (yeah right - sorry but government identifying savings is like NASA stumbling on a "faster than the speed of light warp drive") to be $2 Billion per year.


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    I like the plan but I think it is 20 years too early. Some older people won't appreciate it. There is still a large portion of the population that doesn't know how to use the internet to check the balance on their electric bill, water bill, phone bill, etc. They were going to close the Post Office on Saturdays in August 2013 and congress said, "Oh hell no you won't."

    Is this really being seriously considered? I don't see it coming into fruition any time soon.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nearly every govt agency operates "in the red", including our military which has never shown a profit.
    The US Post Office only has the backing of the US Government. It is 0.00% funded by the US Government. The post office became self sufficient July 1, 1971. When the post office runs in the red, then it matters. When the military runs in the red that doesn't really matter too much. The federal government has an unlimited supply of money to pay for government functions. The Post Office is an enterprise fund. This is a lot like many local water companies.

    The Post Office is an entirely different animal than other government agencies.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The best solution, IMHO, would be to keep raising user fees (postage rates) to cover the actual cost of service. The nonsense that using general revenue to subsidize the USPS is OK because it transfers the burden of payment to "the rich" is foolish. The best way to reduce costs is to reduce service days to 3 days per week and have fewer carriers which serve alternating routes. For example a single carrier could serve delivery area A on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and sere area delivery area B on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday - just as garbage/recycle collection services do now.
    That's a really good idea.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    who is motivated to continue door to door delivery: the congress
    especially members of the house of representatives
    House members can’t send franked mail in the 90 days before elections. They’re instructed to have no more than one picture of themselves alone in a mailed piece and aren’t supposed to reference themselves more than an average of eight times per page.

    The pieces provide the name recognition that helps drive votes, said Craig Holman, government affairs lobbyist at Public Citizen in Washington.

    “Franked mail tends to be praising of the member of Congress, perhaps even the political party that they work for,” Holman said. “This is campaign material. Very, very rarely have I seen franked mail that’s just information to constituents about what Congress is doing.”
    Lawmakers intent on dictating how the U.S. Postal Service cuts billions from its spending are among those helping themselves to a favorite congressional perk: free mail.

    U.S. House members sent more than $45 million worth of such mail in 2010 and 2011 even while switching much of their communication to e-mail in recent years. Three of the 10 largest users last year were Republican members of the Tea Party caucus, which advocates for less government spending,
    Lawmakers intent on dictating how the U.S. Postal Service cuts billions from its spending are among those helping themselves to a favorite congressional perk: free mail.

    U.S. House members sent more than $45 million worth of such mail in 2010 and 2011 even while switching much of their communication to e-mail in recent years. Three of the 10 largest users last year were Republican members of the Tea Party caucus, which advocates for less government spending, according to data compiled by Bloomberg from House reports.

    ... The privilege known as franking, dating to the Continental Congress in 1775, allows lawmakers to send mail to constituents at no cost using their signatures. Franking doesn’t deprive the Postal Service, which reported $65.7 billion in revenue in its 2011 fiscal year, of income. It does cost U.S. taxpayers who reimburse the Postal Service at rates similar to those paid by other bulk mailers.

    Of the top 50 frankers by spending, 38 -- or 76 percent -- are Republicans, who are 56 percent of House members. Franking typically is used more in election years; for example, House members spent $34.1 million in 2010 and $11.3 million in 2011, according to a Congressional Research Service report.
    raise your hands if you believe congress will rid itself of this benefit, which helps incumbents get re-elected

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    OH REALLY???
    I can put a 46 cent stamp on a letter and put it in a local mailbox here in Colorado. About three days later my sister in New Hampshire has it delivered to her door ...
    UPS or Fed X can give me the same service for about $16.00.
    Tell me how that is better?
    I have wondered that myself. The Post Office is ran just like a business. Their overhead is probably much higher than private companies because of the high cost of labor. I have wondered why UPS and FEDEX has been dragging their feet about being competitive. I don't think they are really interested in taking part in the single letter delivery business. I guess they don't want to spend the Research and Development cost to figure out how to do it. The Post Office has been doing it for over 200 years. They already have a good system in place. Maybe UPS and FedEx doesn't think they can compete effectively.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    who is motivated to continue door to door delivery: the congress
    especially members of the house of representatives




    raise your hands if you believe congress will rid itself of this benefit, which helps incumbents get re-elected

    Congress Keeps Free Mail While Pushing U.S. Postal Cuts - Bloomberg
    That makes perfect sense. Do you think there was similar motivation for Congress blocking the Post Office's plan to end Saturday delivery? It was already a done deal and then congress steps in to say, "Oh no you don't." It is very odd to me that so many people were concerned about an end to Saturday mail delivery that they would contact their congressman. It is so odd that it just doesn't seem likely.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    the only reason the USPS can charge $.46 is because they're subsidized, hence the LOSSES.
    The Post Office has been self sufficient since July 1, 1971. They are not subsidized. I'm not mad at you because I can see why you would think that. It is considered a part of the government. It is an enterprise fund and receives no funding from the government.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    UPS and FedEx can't match that service because they're prohibited by law from doing so. They're simply not legally allowed to deliver first class mail which is why they require you to put it in a box or those big envelopes.
    Is this true?

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    For some reason, for me atleast, it's always kinda exciting to go get the mail. Like there will just be some random check that I overpaid for something or even a free sample or freebie that I signed up for. Usually it's just garbage but I just can't help that I like surprises. fyi, Marlboro always sends the best stuff and I'm not even a smoker.
    I feel the exact same way. My wife and kids make fun of me. I always tell a joke every holiday and they always fall for it. I say, "Today is going to be a bad day." Then they say, "Why is that?" Then I say, "Because the mail man won't be coming to our house today." I make an exaggerated frowny face and they start laughing. Then they say, "Oh poor daddy, he won't get any mail today."

    My hobbies would change if they quit delivering mail but I do understand the need to be more efficient. I would forego my love relationship with the mailman if it was better for the country but I will have a frowny face for a couple of weeks after it happens.

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