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Thread: Should door to door mail delivery end?

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, its simply an option which proves there are many. The purpose of govt is to secure rights, not to deliver things.
    The Post Office is one of those things that is clearly identifiable in the constitution. You can argue about some government services but there really is no way to argue that one. The Constitution is very specific about a post office.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I've been reading about this for years. Here is a succinct overview and while I have read more than one story reflecting this information, if someone has something to counter this, please post it up.

    Here are the facts:

    In 2006, Congress passed legislation that required USPS to pre-fund – within 10 years – most retiree healthcare benefits for the next 75 years. It was an accounting gimmick adopted to comply with short-term budget scoring rules that applied to legislation at the time. The resulting annual payments have cost the Postal Service $31 billion, accounting for more than 80 percent of its red ink since 2007.
    The Postal Service is the only U.S. institution – private or public – that is required by law to set aside money for future retiree health benefits. Some private sector businesses choose to do so, but at much lower levels than the congressional mandate for USPS. The Postal Service already has set aside $45 billion for future retiree health benefits – more than any other organization in America and enough to pay for decades of future retiree healthcare. In addition, Postal Service pension funds are overfunded by tens of billions of dollars.

    As a direct result of the pre-funding mandate, the Postal Service has reached its debt limit. In 2005, before pre-funding, USPS was debt free. Today, it holds $15 billion in debt – all of which is traceable to the congressional accounting gimmick.

    - See more at: Debunking the Postal Service
    The government should provide essential services when the commercial sector can not, or will not, provide them to everyone. Alternately, they can require that the commercial sector provide the service to everyone on an an equal basis. That is why it is usually government that provides water and sewer service where it is needed and why the telephone and electric power companies are required to provide service to everyone, even when it is not profitable. Mail delivery is still an essential service for everyone at times.

    The pressure to privatize government services mostly comes from those who hope to profit from taking over the business. They have allies ready to support their most sleazy schemes amongst those idealogues who hate the idea of government services, don't care about equality for all, hate labor unions, and want to see government made weak and ineffective.

    The recent history of the postal service is a case-book example of how the privatization forces work. First they create unnecessary rules or cut the budget of the service until it is crippled, then they promote the idea that the private sector can do it better, and then they use the fact that the service has been crippled as an argument for its elimination. They try to do this at a slow enough rate so that most people won't even notice it is happening.



    "Facing a deficit of billions of dollars in recent years, the United States Postal Service (USPS) has floated a number of proposals to reduce that deficit, including selling off hundreds of post office properties in order to gain cash flow and reduce expenses. According to the Postal Service's 2012 report to Congress, more than 600 buildings nationwide have been "earmarked for disposal," and the "USPS Properties for Sale" web site currently lists 40 buildings and land parcels for sale across the U.S.

    In 2011, the CB Richard Ellis Group (now CBRE Group, Inc.), the world's largest commercial real estate
    services firm, was awarded an exclusive contract to market USPS facilities which provides CBRE with a commission of 2 to 6 percent on the sale of those properties. This award has been the subject of some controversy, as CBRE's Chairman of the Board is Richard C. Blum, the husband of Senator Dianne Feinstein, who represents the state of California in the U.S. Senate.

    It isn't accurate to say that Richard Blum is "solely in charge" of CBRE or that he "owns" the company, as CBRE is headed by President and Chief Executive Officer Robert E. Sulentic is a public company whose shares are owned by many different individuals and institutional stockholders. However, it is indeed true that Richard Blum is both CBRE's chairman and the husband of a U.S. senator, and that Blum Capital, a private equity firm founded by Richard Blum, is one of CBRE's larger institutional stockholders.

    Writing in the San Francisco Chronicle, columnist Andrew S. Ross quoted a representative of Senator Feinstein as asserting that she was not involved in her husband's business dealings, and that the contract between the USPS and CBRE was not initiated or influenced by Congress....

    In June 2013 the USPS' Office of Inspector General issued an audit report which noted that "outsourcing real estate management services to one supplier is a fundamental change from how the Postal Service previously managed its real estate portfolio" and was critical of several aspects of the contract between USPS and CBRE, but Richard Blum's marital relationship with Senator Feinstein was not among the conflict of interest issues cited in that report..."
    Read more at snopes.com: CBRE/Richard Blum and USPS
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    It's called SmartPost. It originates from the shipper to FedEx, and then FedEx tenders the package to the USPS (either your local post office, or your closest General Mail Facility). The Post Office then delivers it to you.

    Honestly, I think it's laughable how everyone is saying that the USPS is more efficient and timely than FedEx or UPS. Compared to either private company, the USPS is a big joke. They don't give you a guaranteed delivery date on anything you ship, and their tracking ability is extremely spotty, on it's best day. I do a lot of online shopping around the holidays, and I always hate it when I know that my packages will either be delivered USPS, or SmartPost. I'd rather pay a little more and be able to completely track my package, from start to finish, and not be wondering where the package is, or why it is late. I had 2 packages last Christmas - my last 2 - that the Post Office had absolutely no idea where they were. According to the "tracking system" they had, the package should have been at my door on Friday. I started calling Friday evening, after my regular mail delivery. Their response was, "Well that's not an accurate delivery date." My response? "Well, duh. My mail has already ran, my package is not here." For both packages, even though they were supposed to have been delivered on Friday, I got one the following Wednesday and the other the following Saturday.

    If you aren't going to be accurate, why bother?
    I read an article sometime last year about how the USPS, FedEx, and UPS are actually very inter-dependent on each other. I don't have a link handy, but it was quite an interesting read.
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Honestly, I think it's laughable how everyone is saying that the USPS is more efficient and timely than FedEx or UPS. Compared to either private company, the USPS is a big joke. They don't give you a guaranteed delivery date on anything you ship, and their tracking ability is extremely spotty, on it's best day. I do a lot of online shopping around the holidays, and I always hate it when I know that my packages will either be delivered USPS, or SmartPost. I'd rather pay a little more and be able to completely track my package, from start to finish, and not be wondering where the package is, or why it is late. I had 2 packages last Christmas - my last 2 - that the Post Office had absolutely no idea where they were. According to the "tracking system" they had, the package should have been at my door on Friday. I started calling Friday evening, after my regular mail delivery. Their response was, "Well that's not an accurate delivery date." My response? "Well, duh. My mail has already ran, my package is not here." For both packages, even though they were supposed to have been delivered on Friday, I got one the following Wednesday and the other the following Saturday.

    If you aren't going to be accurate, why bother?
    I think we are comparing the prices of sending an one page letter. I once sent a one page letter to an organization via Fed Ex overnight delivery. It costed me $19. I could have sent the same letter via the post office for $0.46. It would have taken 3-4 days.

    I don't think anybody would argue that the USPS is superior to Fed Ex. It costed me 43 times more to send that letter through FEdEx. I received impeccable service but was it 43 times better than the USPS? No.

    The Post Office by far provides the better value.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I think we are comparing the prices of sending an one page letter. I once sent a one page letter to an organization via Fed Ex overnight delivery. It costed me $19. I could have sent the same letter via the post office for $0.46. It would have taken 3-4 days.

    I don't think anybody would argue that the USPS is superior to Fed Ex. It costed me 43 times more to send that letter through FEdEx. I received impeccable service but was it 43 times better than the USPS? No.

    The Post Office by far provides the better value.
    But the huge difference in your scenario here is that you are comparing overnight delivery via FedEx to 3 to 4 day delivery via USPS. Of course it's going to cost you a lot more. Get back to me with a price for the USPS to deliver an overnight letter. Oh wait -- they don't deliver overnight letters. The best they offer is 3 to 4 days, and even then, they don't guarantee it.
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    But the huge difference in your scenario here is that you are comparing overnight delivery via FedEx to 3 to 4 day delivery via USPS. Of course it's going to cost you a lot more. Get back to me with a price for the USPS to deliver an overnight letter. Oh wait -- they don't deliver overnight letters. The best they offer is 3 to 4 days, and even then, they don't guarantee it.
    Nobody will argue with you. FedEx is much better. There is no contest.

    It's like comparing a rib eye steak that cost $500 to a $1 hamburger at McDonald's. The $500 rib eye steak is much better.

    Nobody is arguing with your point. You are just ignoring the comments that the USPS provides better value.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I love that plan. It only makes sense. They're already doing it all over Illinois in attached-housing subdivisions. The idea that, in this day and age, a mail person will walk down a block and walk up and down the steps to every porch to put mail in a mailbox is ridiculous.
    Tell that to the elderly who cannot move well, and get their medications in their mailboxes...

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    First of all you've got your price WAY off:
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    Second of all, the only reason the USPS can charge $.46 is because they're subsidized, hence the LOSSES.
    The USPS is not subsidized one bit at all. They are non-profit, and pay for themselves, with shipping fee revenues. The only reason they are operating in the Red is because of what congress already did to them, extorting money from them.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    First of all you've got your price WAY off:
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    Second of all, the only reason the USPS can charge $.46 is because they're subsidized, hence the LOSSES.
    Does that include it arriving in three days or less?

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Those are BS for the fact that this is simply money the USPS is not able to prefund their future obligations. No other government entity is required to prefund their future accounts.

    The same time congress required this 75 billion(?) fund to be paid for in 7 years, they confiscated all the money the USPS had already saved in accounts for the future. This mandated money is not even going anyplace, but the general fund. Congress is effectively mandating that the USPS buy bonds for the future, but it isn't even that good. This is a debt that the treasury will have to future retirees, that they can hide off the books.

    Don't blame the USPS for any of this. Congress is just playing another shell game with national debt.

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