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Thread: Should door to door mail delivery end?

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The story is our US Post Office is loosing tons of money - the reasons are a bit complex but suffice to say they have been running in the red for quite some time and something has to give. A recent bill H.R. 4670, Secure Delivery for America Act of 2014 -- was approved by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee recently. This bill basically removes at home delivery and creates a centralized delivery mailbox (outdoors or indoors) where people will need to travel to pick up their daily mail, USPS packages, etc. The saving is estimated (yeah right - sorry but government identifying savings is like NASA stumbling on a "faster than the speed of light warp drive") to be $2 Billion per year.


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    When I first read this it sounds like home delivery would be gone altogether, but really is just getting rid of the mailman walking around door to door in some areas where people have mail slots on their doors. It would have no effect on curbside delivery where the mailman drives around mailbox to mailbox. And I would guess in many cases people could put a mailbox out near the street than on the door. Or at worse case they would have to travel a very short distance to a centrally located bank of mailboxes. So I would think this isn't a big problem for many people.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    When I first read this it sounds like home delivery would be gone altogether, but really is just getting rid of the mailman walking around door to door in some areas where people have mail slots on their doors. It would have no effect on curbside delivery where the mailman drives around mailbox to mailbox. And I would guess in many cases people could put a mailbox out near the street than on the door. Or at worse case they would have to travel a very short distance to a centrally located bank of mailboxes. So I would think this isn't a big problem for many people.
    You are right. That's how the thread started out, but it ended up being a "keep it or dump it" conversation re: the entire USPS.
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    First of all you've got your price WAY off:
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    Second of all, the only reason the USPS can charge $.46 is because they're subsidized, hence the LOSSES.
    Actually the USPS has not recieved tax payers since 1980 with the minor exception of disabled and overseas voters.


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    The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters.[5]


    Since the 2006 all-time peak mail volume,[6] after which Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act,[7] (which mandated $5.5 billion per year to be paid into an account to fund earned employee retirement benefits, which is already a requirement that every US business with a pension follows.[8]), revenue dropped sharply due to recession-influenced[9] declining mail volume,[10] prompting the postal service to look to other sources of revenue while cutting costs to reduce its budget deficit.[11] The USPS lost US$ 5 billion in 2013, and its revenue was US$ 66 billion.
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    What happens when the minimum number of "viable" postal delivery hubs is inevitably raised? Local deliveries in rural areas will stop, you'll have to collect the mail with the groceries in the nearest town, then the nearest city....
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Actually the USPS has not recieved tax payers since 1980 with the minor exception of disabled and overseas voters.


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    I've been reading about this for years. Here is a succinct overview and while I have read more than one story reflecting this information, if someone has something to counter this, please post it up.

    Here are the facts:

    In 2006, Congress passed legislation that required USPS to pre-fund – within 10 years – most retiree healthcare benefits for the next 75 years. It was an accounting gimmick adopted to comply with short-term budget scoring rules that applied to legislation at the time. The resulting annual payments have cost the Postal Service $31 billion, accounting for more than 80 percent of its red ink since 2007.
    The Postal Service is the only U.S. institution – private or public – that is required by law to set aside money for future retiree health benefits. Some private sector businesses choose to do so, but at much lower levels than the congressional mandate for USPS. The Postal Service already has set aside $45 billion for future retiree health benefits – more than any other organization in America and enough to pay for decades of future retiree healthcare. In addition, Postal Service pension funds are overfunded by tens of billions of dollars.

    As a direct result of the pre-funding mandate, the Postal Service has reached its debt limit. In 2005, before pre-funding, USPS was debt free. Today, it holds $15 billion in debt – all of which is traceable to the congressional accounting gimmick.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I've been reading about this for years. Here is a succinct overview and while I have read more than one story reflecting this information, if someone has something to counter this, please post it up.
    Thanks for posting that.
    A lot of people do not realize that congress required the USPS to pre fund retirement health care and that is a big part of the reason the USPS is currently in debt.

    I bet a lot of people do not know that USPS delivers a lot of Fed Ex packages.

    In fact when I expecting a Fed Ex package and wanted to track it I called Fed Ex they told me they delivered it my post office the night before and I should get it the next day.

    From this article :

    FedEx Uses USPS for 30.4% of Ground Shipments

    Written by Alan Robinson on December 15, 2011


    30.4% of FedEx Ground shipments are delivered by the United States Postal Service.
    8.4% of FedEx Ground revenue is generated by shipments delivered by the Postal Service

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    FedEx SmartPost Shipments delivered by the Postal Service Grew by 17.0%
    FedEx Uses USPS for 30.4% of Ground Shipments | Courier Express and Postal Observer
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    For most people in the USA door to door mail delivery is an expensive luxury that they could live without.
    Except for the lazy housebound or old people who don't have a choice.

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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Let them eat cake.

    People in rural areas without broadband who lose their mail service won't be able to get their netflix DVDs, magazines, newspapers, catalogs, voter information packets, packages etc. because the commercial delivery services will not find it profitable to deliver to such areas and a telephone modem is too slow. The postal service is required to deliver to everyone and that requirement makes it a tool for effective democracy. If the rest of us ever experience lengthy power outages or loss of broadband due to sabotage, war or disaster we will be glad to have a backup system.
    Again, you can do all of that through regular dial-up. E-mail existed long before broadband did. Try again.
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    Re: Should door to door mail delivery end?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I cannot return my absentee ballot by e - mail.
    But it should be just as easy to implement an absentee balloting system that way.
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