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  • I'm a Vet-yes we should trust them

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  • I'm a Vet- No never trust them

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Thread: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not what I said. In fact, I've said that there are problems that need to be fixed in the VA hospitals and with the VA in general.

    The thing I have a problem with is those problems being blown up out of proportion because the VA is run by the government. They are used for nothing but a political purpose. You can compare VA problems, especially when it comes to their hospitals and/or way of paying (insurance), to the private sector and find many of the same problems there. There are going to be some differences, but they come close to evening themselves out. But then the VA problems are held up as some sort of "see, this is what happens when government does stuff like this", when in fact it is just what happens when people run things, period. The private hospitals have less scrutiny. They can simply pay off people who they injure and take care of the problems with little to no scrutiny, "it happens" and then is ignored. While the VA, being a government run entity, gets much more scrutiny, so their problems end up blown out of proportion, particularly by those just looking for something to use as a political point for their side.

    The same exact thing happens with the military and sexual harassment/assault, a topic I have debated on here many times and expressed my feelings on.
    How is the systemic purging of patient rolls, so the government look good being blown out of proportion?
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Actually, it was reported on the news (CNN) during a discussion of the VA and Shinseki. As for a link, I doubt you'll be pleased with this one, but it has the most complete information on VA Budget cuts over the past decade: Maddow slams Republicans for complaining about VA scandal after passing budget cuts

    Maddow noted that in March 2003 — the same month the U.S. began its second war against Iraq — the GOP-led House of Representatives approved a budget cutting $14 billion from the VA’s budget. Two years later, Anthony Principi, who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush, released a statement saying the department did not “require additional resources” despite the escalating cost of that conflict.


    Lawmakers later had to approve an emergency $1.5 billion budget influx following reports that local VA facilities were instituting hiring freezes and lacking the ability to make necessary purchases.

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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is the systemic purging of patient rolls, so the government look good being blown out of proportion?
    It wasn't being done for the "government" to look good. It was being done so that the hospital could "meet" (or at least appear to meet) the unrealistic expectations that have been put on them by other agencies/people within the government. It wasn't right, but it was done to save the butts of those in that hospital who wrongly felt it was better to do that than to admit that they simply could not keep up with patient demands and/or Congressional expectations, especially given the budget that they are given to work with. This was absolutely not being done to "make the government look good". It was being done to make the staff of that hospital look good.
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It depends. The VA can be very good or very bad. The worst I have experienced is Phoenix. Many of us have known something was fubar at Phoenix VA for a few years now. I transferred my care to Tucson to avoid having to deal with Phoenix. I did that before the fit hit the shan.

    Tucson VA has been outstanding. I cannot say enough good things about the VA in Tucson. Sure, I have to drive to Tucson, but for the quality of patient care I get I don't mind.


    I agree, it depends on the VA facility...My SIL has used the one in Muskogee, OK. and the one in Fayetteville, Ar. and has had no serious problems with either..Some are well managed, some are not..

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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    A good friend died a few years ago, and he praised the VA. They had helped him through so many problems, but the last one was Pancreatic Cancer, and to his credit, and the VA probably, even that took a year to kill him. He told me that not only does the VA have restrictions on firing bad employees, but they are forced to hire some that don't want to be there. They got their college paid for via some program and in return had to "serve" by working at certain government jobs.

    I am pretty sure I met one of them.....a doctor, not just admin or other kind of support staff. The VA's biggest problem is the inconsistent support from congress. There was a time when congress not only treated veterans badly, they treated actual retirees badly. My older brother had to file bankruptcy when the government refused to pay for his bypass surgery. He had over 20 years in the Air Force. Congress had to back pedal on that, but for a time, the retirees were denied the permanent healthcare promised when they were recruited for the many wars that congress gets us into.....
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