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  • I'm a Vet-yes we should trust them

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  • I'm a Vet- No never trust them

    11 39.29%
  • I'm not a vet-Yes vets should trust them

    2 7.14%
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Thread: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

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    Correct, Base Commanders have a lot of say....I live in AZ half the year, Utah half the year. Before reaching 65, I could use Luke AFB, as could my wife.
    But Hill AFB in Utah was not available to us. So we tried to be sick only while in AZ....
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And in the private sector, people have died because hospitals and/or insurance companies have "****ed them over".
    So, that makes this ok?
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    How'd that work out for you?
    actually well, since I am very healthy most of the time....I get my annual physical, eye exam, and dental taken care of every January. Last time, some blood showed up in my urine, and they set me up for ultrasound and based on those results, a CT scan. LSS, nothing to worry about, just some small cysts on one kidney. Not unusual for us old guys.
    As for the VA being good or bad for me, they do it all very well for everything but the Parkinson's needs....I have a civilian doctor for that. I have seen 3 different VA neurologists, but that was for their own reasons, that of determining compensation for the agent orange exposure.
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, that makes this ok?
    Makes "what" okay?

    This thread was about whether you should trust the VA. In general, they can be just as trusted as any other hospital, doctor, and/or insurance provider that you have the relatively same amount of experience with. Just as I would not base my judgement of a training hospital or certain "brand" of hospital here in NC on what happened at another hospital in another state, without some solid evidence that it was likely to carry over, not just rumors, I will not do the same for the VA. I know people who go to the VA hospital in Durham often. No real issues.
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Makes "what" okay?

    This thread was about whether you should trust the VA. In general, they can be just as trusted as any other hospital, doctor, and/or insurance provider that you have the relatively same amount of experience with. Just as I would not base my judgement of a training hospital or certain "brand" of hospital here in NC on what happened at another hospital in another state, without some solid evidence that it was likely to carry over, not just rumors, I will not do the same for the VA. I know people who go to the VA hospital in Durham often. No real issues.
    So, since you believe that private hospitals screw people over, you think it's ok for the VA to do it. Got it!
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, since you believe that private hospitals screw people over, you think it's ok for the VA to do it. Got it!
    Good grief, that's not what he said at all. He said that... never mind. I've already told you the same thing and you didn't listen to me, either.
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I don't see anyone doing this for political reasons. I see incompetence in the Phoenix VA Medical Center. How is that political, actually? Honestly, unless Shinseki had actual working knowledge of what was going on, and participated in the cover up, I don't see how he should be held accountable, either.
    That's been my question as well. Shinseki is at the top of a very large pyramid. Beneath him are thousands of people reviewing tens of thousands of quarterly reports, statistics, budgets, patient logs/info, etc. If some VA hospitals are fraudulently lying on their quarterly reports, how in hell's half acre is the guy at the top supposed to know that? It's criminal fraud, which by its very nature is hidden and secretive.

    Sure, there are audits that might uncover that stuff, but what with the VA having their budget cut just about every year for the past decade, there's hardly enough money for pop audits on every VA facility in the country. The guy at the top relies on information being brought forward from below, so he knows where the problems are and where to focus investigation an audit. No information? Hey, he can't inhale it out of the ether. Like most criminal activities, somebody has to blow the whistle or criminals will continue to do what they've been getting away with doing all along.

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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, since you believe that private hospitals screw people over, you think it's ok for the VA to do it. Got it!
    Not what I said. In fact, I've said that there are problems that need to be fixed in the VA hospitals and with the VA in general.

    The thing I have a problem with is those problems being blown up out of proportion because the VA is run by the government. They are used for nothing but a political purpose. You can compare VA problems, especially when it comes to their hospitals and/or way of paying (insurance), to the private sector and find many of the same problems there. There are going to be some differences, but they come close to evening themselves out. But then the VA problems are held up as some sort of "see, this is what happens when government does stuff like this", when in fact it is just what happens when people run things, period. The private hospitals have less scrutiny. They can simply pay off people who they injure and take care of the problems with little to no scrutiny, "it happens" and then is ignored. While the VA, being a government run entity, gets much more scrutiny, so their problems end up blown out of proportion, particularly by those just looking for something to use as a political point for their side.

    The same exact thing happens with the military and sexual harassment/assault, a topic I have debated on here many times and expressed my feelings on.
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    While there has been some bad press recently, I think overall, they can be trusted. The current wave of bad press is due mostly to a minority of cases gone wrong. I am willing to bet that if you were to scrutinize any large hospital giving such trama care, you will find stories of malpractice and poor care. This is why so many hospitals and doctors have to spend so much money insuring themselves against lawsuits.
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    Re: Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That's been my question as well. Shinseki is at the top of a very large pyramid. Beneath him are thousands of people reviewing tens of thousands of quarterly reports, statistics, budgets, patient logs/info, etc. If some VA hospitals are fraudulently lying on their quarterly reports, how in hell's half acre is the guy at the top supposed to know that? It's criminal fraud, which by its very nature is hidden and secretive.

    Sure, there are audits that might uncover that stuff, but what with the VA having their budget cut just about every year for the past decade, there's hardly enough money for pop audits on every VA facility in the country. The guy at the top relies on information being brought forward from below, so he knows where the problems are and where to focus investigation an audit. No information? Hey, he can't inhale it out of the ether. Like most criminal activities, somebody has to blow the whistle or criminals will continue to do what they've been getting away with doing all along.
    Can you supply a link for that bold (above) assertion?


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