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    Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Seems every government agency and city now has a SWAT team. And SWAT activity has gone up by 1500% in the last two decades.

    John W. Whitehead: SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
    The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

    Police departments are now being given surplus military vehicles too to wage war war against its own citizens.

    TN Police Departments Get Tank-Like Military Vehicles - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports
    Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies - NY Daily News

    SWAT teams now routinely use no-knock entry tactics and sometimes end up shooting innocent people when they enter the wrong house or due to faulty intel.

    Jose Guerena shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Five Unnecessary SWAT Team Raids Gone Terribly Wrong
    WND reports on SWAT raids on the innocent

    Let us remember one thing, cops are not military personnel, they are classified as civilians, like everybody else who isnt military. Why should they be issued military weapons and dress like an army of occupation? Should something be done about this?




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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    When in our history did the American right wing begin the hard turn against law enforcement? At one time American conservatives and support for law enforcement went hand in hand. Now, its obvious that the hate for government that is part and parcel of libertarianism has been extended to law enforcement. When did this devolution happen?

    This thread is merely the latest example of it here.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    To me it looks like the whole planet is overly militarized.

    It wasn't like this sixty years ago.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    I don't buy into the whole "Their coming for our freedoms!" hype, but it do think it's gone a bit far.

    I think the main cause is very simply the the War on Drugs and more recently the War of Terror.

    Once the profitability (and risk) of drug dealing was exponentially increased by making it illegal, drug cartels upgraded their weaponry because other criminals began ripping them off and because they have money to burn.

    Enough civilians got caught up in these killings that the police upgrade their weapons in response. State and federal money poured in as part of the WoD, and only accelerated the process.

    More recently, the WoT has had a similar impact, with resources rushing in with no great purpose, and now police are standing by with massive arsenals of exotic gear, itching for an opportunity.

    The solution is to decriminalize drugs, draining the profits out of the illegal market, which in turn will de-escalate the related violence. Maybe, eventually, police will start feeling safe in public.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When in our history did the American right wing begin the hard turn against law enforcement? At one time American conservatives and support for law enforcement went hand in hand. Now, its obvious that the hate for government that is part and parcel of libertarianism has been extended to law enforcement. When did this devolution happen?

    This thread is merely the latest example of it here.
    Not wanting law enforcement to be like the military is akin to hatred for the law enforcement?
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When in our history did the American right wing begin the hard turn against law enforcement? At one time American conservatives and support for law enforcement went hand in hand. Now, its obvious that the hate for government that is part and parcel of libertarianism has been extended to law enforcement. When did this devolution happen?

    This thread is merely the latest example of it here.
    Do you really think this is a right-wing phenom? I'd be very surprised if that were the case. Think hippies and pigs.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Seems every government agency and city now has a SWAT team. And SWAT activity has gone up by 1500% in the last two decades.

    John W. Whitehead: SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
    The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

    Police departments are now being given surplus military vehicles too to wage war war against its own citizens.

    TN Police Departments Get Tank-Like Military Vehicles - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports
    Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies - NY Daily News

    SWAT teams now routinely use no-knock entry tactics and sometimes end up shooting innocent people when they enter the wrong house or due to faulty intel.

    Jose Guerena shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Five Unnecessary SWAT Team Raids Gone Terribly Wrong
    WND reports on SWAT raids on the innocent

    Let us remember one thing, cops are not military personnel, they are classified as civilians, like everybody else who isnt military. Why should they be issued military weapons and dress like an army of occupation? Should something be done about this?



    I blame the prevalence of guns in American society. The cops are decking themselves out in heavy-duty military gear because they expect (reasonably) to come under fire at some point. This isn't true in Britain, and thus our police aren't kitted out in military gear, but rather wear high-visibility green jackets so people can approach them for help.

    I think this is only a natural instinct -- the police are trying to protect themselves. It's a dangerous job in America, because (incredibly) you let anyone have deadly weapons. I don't begrudge the police their protection, but I do think it's a shame it's come to this.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Seems every government agency and city now has a SWAT team. And SWAT activity has gone up by 1500% in the last two decades.

    John W. Whitehead: SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
    The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

    Police departments are now being given surplus military vehicles too to wage war war against its own citizens.

    TN Police Departments Get Tank-Like Military Vehicles - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports
    Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies - NY Daily News

    SWAT teams now routinely use no-knock entry tactics and sometimes end up shooting innocent people when they enter the wrong house or due to faulty intel.

    Jose Guerena shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Five Unnecessary SWAT Team Raids Gone Terribly Wrong
    WND reports on SWAT raids on the innocent

    Let us remember one thing, cops are not military personnel, they are classified as civilians, like everybody else who isnt military. Why should they be issued military weapons and dress like an army of occupation? Should something be done about this?



    Yes the police are being militarized and it should be stopped.This is nothing more than a back door violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I blame the prevalence of guns in American society. The cops are decking themselves out in heavy-duty military gear because they expect (reasonably) to come under fire at some point. This isn't true in Britain, and thus our police aren't kitted out in military gear, but rather wear high-visibility green jackets so people can approach them for help.

    I think this is only a natural instinct -- the police are trying to protect themselves. It's a dangerous job in America, because (incredibly) you let anyone have deadly weapons. I don't begrudge the police their protection, but I do think it's a shame it's come to this.
    I think it might be more accurate to blame law enforcement and our judicial system for not being able to keep illegal guns off the street rather than the prevalence of guns. If the punishment for being in possession of an illegal firearm were strict enough, that problem would all but correct itself, in my opinion.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I blame the prevalence of guns in American society. The cops are decking themselves out in heavy-duty military gear because they expect (reasonably) to come under fire at some point. This isn't true in Britain, and thus our police aren't kitted out in military gear, but rather wear high-visibility green jackets so people can approach them for help.

    I think this is only a natural instinct -- the police are trying to protect themselves. It's a dangerous job in America, because (incredibly) you let anyone have deadly weapons. I don't begrudge the police their protection, but I do think it's a shame it's come to this.

    Didn't the British use the military during the Olympics?


    http://redtape.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/10/13203923-are-olympics-a-trojan-horse-for-big-brother
    http://www.city-analysis.net/2012/08...ckdown-london/

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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