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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Obviously you are living in a distant past when the times were "much more simple". In this day and age you can be shot with an uzi if you go to a car to give them a speeding ticket, you can be sprayed with countless of bullets from an AK47 when you go to house because of a noise complaint. Gangs, huge spread of heavy weaponry, people with whole stock piles of weapons, extremist groups with no respect for authorities whatsoever, etc. etc. etc.
    Clearly you have never read the FBI crime stat's that track such things. The VAST MAJORITY of crimes involving guns are with handguns. PERIOD. The number that are committed with 'assault rifles' is almost insignificant in terms of total shootings.

    Had you read such data and knew it, you would not make statements like above.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Which I understood, hence the "They can"



    You talking about "juking the stats"?

    Exactly.

    I've had Investigators in the division I work with quit their position and go back to Patrol because they were being pressured to turn higher level crimes into lower levels crimes, as well as confront homeowners to admit that they falsely reported a burglary with absolutely no evidence that this false reporting was true.

    I've seen Patrol Division Commanders get removed/replaced for refusing to change reports or consolidate multiple crimes into one. For example a neighborhood street getting hit up with car break ins. Officers come out and take reports, the car break in reports should be separate incidents but they are consolidated into one report and counted as ONE car break in instead of SEVEN.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/ny...inds.html?_r=0
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/ny...st-a-bill.html

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When I see your name and see you reproduce some of my words as a lead in I know with 100% accuracy there will be be substance in your post and only personal vitriol. thank you for confirming this fact yet again.

    btw - comparing your use of language designed to seduce the American people to a lounge lizard trying to seduce a woman at a bar is not name calling. It is simply an accurate comparison of similar tactics. You may want to brush up on those sort of things in the future.


    Its clear you've got nothing, and have resorted to your ole shtick.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Exactly.

    I've had Investigators in the division I work with quit their position and go back to Patrol because they were being pressured to turn higher level crimes into lower levels crimes, as well as confront homeowners to admit that they falsely reported a burglary with absolutely no evidence that this false reporting was true.

    I've seen Patrol Division Commanders get removed/replaced for refusing to change reports or consolidate multiple crimes into one. For example a neighborhood street getting hit up with car break ins. Officers come out and take reports, the car break in reports should be separate incidents but they are consolidated into one report and counted as ONE car break in instead of SEVEN.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/ny...inds.html?_r=0
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/ny...st-a-bill.html
    While I do not doubt that juking the stats occurs, do you doubt that violent crime has declined overall? That DC for example managed to get under 100 murders in a year?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post


    Its clear you've got nothing, and have resorted to your ole shtick.
    When other posters who disagree with me on the issues single you out and tell you to basically shut up and move on with your personal axe and grind it somewhere else - you gotta know you just sank and drowned.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I have to disagree with your preference of their lives over our rights. They cannot LEGALLY violate my rights, the defense of our rights is the very purpose of Government and they chose a risky job to protect and serve US.

    I value freedom over lives. People died for our rights, we do not give them up in the (false) hope of saving a few. To do so would dishonor, even piss on the graves of, our forefathers and their sacrifices.
    Sorry, but I do not share your preference. They are there to protect and serve, not get killed due to not being protected enough themselves during their duties. If they have to arrest someone of whom they know that he owns a large stockpile of weapons then it would be foolish to not go in in a manner that protects the police officers and the public.

    As said, in a nation with no large numbers of weapons in a lot of homes I would agree that militarization of the police is a bad thing, sadly in the US it is a necessary thing.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    While I do not doubt that juking the stats occurs, do you doubt that violent crime has declined overall? That DC for example managed to get under 100 murders in a year?
    I've seen this one in my old city too.

    A missing person report which later turns out to be a murdered citizen, is often left reported as a missing person........

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Seems every government agency and city now has a SWAT team. And SWAT activity has gone up by 1500% in the last two decades.

    John W. Whitehead: SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
    The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

    Police departments are now being given surplus military vehicles too to wage war war against its own citizens.

    TN Police Departments Get Tank-Like Military Vehicles - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports
    Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies - NY Daily News

    SWAT teams now routinely use no-knock entry tactics and sometimes end up shooting innocent people when they enter the wrong house or due to faulty intel.

    Jose Guerena shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Five Unnecessary SWAT Team Raids Gone Terribly Wrong
    WND reports on SWAT raids on the innocent

    Let us remember one thing, cops are not military personnel, they are classified as civilians, like everybody else who isnt military. Why should they be issued military weapons and dress like an army of occupation? Should something be done about this?



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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    While I do not doubt that juking the stats occurs, do you doubt that violent crime has declined overall? That DC for example managed to get under 100 murders in a year?
    That miracle occurred by DC simply destroying "affordable" (public?) housing, some call it gentrification, and letting (forcing?) the prior DC residents move a few blocks into Prince George's county MD.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Clearly you have never read the FBI crime stat's that track such things. The VAST MAJORITY of crimes involving guns are with handguns. PERIOD. The number that are committed with 'assault rifles' is almost insignificant in terms of total shootings.

    Had you read such data and knew it, you would not make statements like above.
    I am sorry, but using handguns does not save the life of an officer when he busts down a door to arrest a drug dealer.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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