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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Says you, and you're perfectly free to think that despite how much you hate freedom; And I will defend your freedom of thought, even from you. Tory.
    So name calling makes you feel better about yourself?

    You on the far right of the libertarian strain of 'thought' use the word FREEDOM or LIBERTY the way a lounge lizard uses the word LOVE to the last woman at the bar 15 minutes before closing. And your goal is exactly the same.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's the government's fault that they CHOOSE to cut back on such things like funding to those types of services instead of cutting back on their OWN wasteful spending. THAT is what people want. For them to stop wasting all of our money, which is exactly what they do. Perhaps if they were better at managing money, they would be able to cut out the waste and leave the important things alone, or even make them more efficient, but instead they'd rather play political blame games, just like you are doing here.
    Relating history is not playing any blame game. Its just telling the truth.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I said one could say anecdotally......
    Which I understood, hence the "They can"

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    However, its still my position that violent crime is on the decline because police administrators have become more like politicians.......

    The COMPSTAT model of crime statistics gathering has created a situation where one can change a crime report to a lower classification to make the appearance that crime has been reduced, this didn't used to happen, but since a higher ranking police administrator's career is dependent upon the appearance that his leadership has had the effect of reducing crime, as well as his political aspirations, it is alot more common than you would think now.

    I've seen this happen first hand in my law enforcement days.
    You talking about "juking the stats"? "Making robberies into larceny, making rapes disappear."

    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    They can, but they have no basis for it given that the decline long preceded the militarization of the police. There are no statistics to support this, there are far more attributing it to lead.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc is also a fallacy.
    I have to disagree, the safety of police officers is more important than a lot of other things, the rights or criminals to not be swamped by heavily armed police for example. If the police fear there is a reasonable risk for fatalities or injury on the side of the police officers or the public from armed criminals, then I choose the protection of the police and the public rather than the rights of the suspect.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was attempting to get people to see that this entire police build up of weaponry is as a direct result of a cutback in police officers in forces around the country. And that development was spurred by the right wing desire to limit taxes and cut back on government spending. So now the far right condemns this so called militarization of local police when it was their very own policies which brought it on in the first place.

    That was the point.
    I disagree with your assessment.

    My assessment is noted in the first two lines of post #61

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I have to disagree, the safety of police officers is more important than a lot of other things, the rights or criminals to not be swamped by heavily armed police for example. If the police fear there is a reasonable risk for fatalities or injury on the side of the police officers or the public from armed criminals, then I choose the protection of the police and the public rather than the rights of the suspect.
    I have to disagree with your preference of their lives over our rights. They cannot LEGALLY violate my rights, the defense of our rights is the very purpose of Government and they chose a risky job to protect and serve US.

    I value freedom over lives. People died for our rights, we do not give them up in the (false) hope of saving a few. To do so would dishonor, even piss on the graves of, our forefathers and their sacrifices.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Relating history is not playing any blame game. Its just telling the truth.
    Obviously you are trying to blame one side of the political spectrum for wasteful spending and mismanagement of taxpayer dollars. It's more a systemic thing where the entire government is incompetent to a ridiculous degree.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I disagree with your assessment.

    My assessment is noted in the first two lines of post #61
    Here is one example of my claim

    Thinning blue line: Police cuts cripple cities

    and another

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...T_N.htm?csp=34

    and this

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092907702.html

    and this

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...er-cuts-could/

    and this
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/us...-in-crime.html

    If you need, I will be happy to provide you with more. And do you think it is merely a coincidence that the very increase in weaponry is happening now?
    Last edited by haymarket; 05-17-14 at 02:10 PM.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So name calling makes you feel better about yourself?
    As if you aren't constantly insulting people. Just look how you close this post... I swear this is taking candy from a baby. At least when I call you a Tory, I'm being accurate. Your insults are baseless.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You on the far right of the libertarian strain of 'thought' use the word FREEDOM or LIBERTY
    There is no "far right" to Libertarianism, nor are there degrees of Libertarianism or "Pure Libertarians." Being a libertarian is like being pregnant, either you are or you aren't.

    Either you accept the non-aggression principle and self-ownership or you don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the way a lounge lizard uses the word LOVE to the last woman at the bar 15 minutes before closing. And your goal is exactly the same.
    Oh look, name calling and insults... hypocrite.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    As if you aren't constantly insulting people. Just look how you close this post... I swear this is taking candy from a baby. At least when I call you a Tory, I'm being accurate. Your insults are baseless.



    There is no "far right" to Libertarianism, nor are there degrees of Libertarianism or "Pure Libertarians." Being a libertarian is like being pregnant, either you are or you aren't.

    Either you accept the non-aggression principle and self-ownership or you don't.



    Oh look, name calling and insults... hypocrite.
    When I see your name and see you reproduce some of my words as a lead in I know with 100% accuracy there will be be substance in your post and only personal vitriol. thank you for confirming this fact yet again.

    btw - comparing your use of language designed to seduce the American people to a lounge lizard trying to seduce a woman at a bar is not name calling. It is simply an accurate comparison of similar tactics. You may want to brush up on those sort of things in the future.
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