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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What seems to be left out here is the job "law enforcement." That's traffic control, drunk drivers, accident investigation, vandalism, security at public events, catching speeders, catching reckless drivers, handling nuisance calls, and Community baby sitting in general. Most rural Police forces do a fine job in these areas, but now the Gov't programs want to arm these groups to the max. What gives? What is the gov't expecting? Who did the POLICE support during Occupy Wall Street?
    Alot of Federal Government grants for equipment is funded under the Homeland Security department. The intent is to train local law enforcement to have the ability to respond to terrorism in their communities as the federal government does not have the resources to have a fast response to these incidents everywhere in America.

    As far as Occupy Wall Street is concerned..... The Police supported the laws of the community, the rights of the people to be able to move from one place to another freely without obstruction from the Occupy Protesters, the rights of the businesses in the area to not become victims of protest mayhem (destruction of property, etc), as well as removing encampments on public property that had become a cesspool of criminal activity (Rape and Theft was a big problem in these encampments).

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Yet somehow violent crime is still on the decline...
    One could anecdotally say that it is BECAUSE of these special weapons and tactics the local law enforcement uses that violent crime is on the decline.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Yet somehow violent crime is still on the decline...
    Maybe that has to do with the continuing militarization of the police force?

    And yet murder statistic is still worryingly high. The same goes for other violent crime IMHO.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    One could anecdotally say that it is BECAUSE of these special weapons and tactics the local law enforcement uses that violent crime is on the decline.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Maybe that has to do with the continuing militarization of the police force?
    And yet murder statistic is still worryingly high. The same goes for other violent crime IMHO.
    They can, but they have no basis for it given that the decline long preceded the militarization of the police. There are no statistics to support this, there are far more attributing it to lead.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc is also a fallacy.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    All I'm hearing from you regarding the worst aspects and trends in government is: "EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!!"
    Then you are not reading what I write.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then you are not reading what I write.
    Says you, and you're perfectly free to think that despite how much you hate freedom; And I will defend your freedom of thought, even from you. Tory.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Cops are civilians- you can call them para-quasi-neo military all you want but they are still civilians- what part of civilian do you not understand?
    I think its the "what do you not understand" part.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Not desiring to play into the whole RIGHT V LEFT bull****.

    But individuals on both sides have distrust for law enforcement in their own way, for their own reasons.

    Its not a RIGHT v LEFT issue.
    I was attempting to get people to see that this entire police build up of weaponry is as a direct result of a cutback in police officers in forces around the country. And that development was spurred by the right wing desire to limit taxes and cut back on government spending. So now the far right condemns this so called militarization of local police when it was their very own policies which brought it on in the first place.

    That was the point.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was attempting to get people to see that this entire police build up of weaponry is as a direct result of a cutback in police officers in forces around the country. And that development was spurred by the right wing desire to limit taxes and cut back on government spending. So now the far right condemns this so called militarization of local police when it was their very own policies which brought it on in the first place.

    That was the point.
    It's the government's fault that they CHOOSE to cut back on such things like funding to those types of services instead of cutting back on their OWN wasteful spending. THAT is what people want. For them to stop wasting all of our money, which is exactly what they do. Perhaps if they were better at managing money, they would be able to cut out the waste and leave the important things alone, or even make them more efficient, but instead they'd rather play political blame games, just like you are doing here.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    They can, but they have no basis for it given that the decline long preceded the militarization of the police. There are no statistics to support this, there are far more attributing it to lead.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc is also a fallacy.
    I said one could say anecdotally......

    However, its still my position that violent crime is on the decline because police administrators have become more like politicians.......

    The COMPSTAT model of crime statistics gathering has created a situation where one can change a crime report to a lower classification to make the appearance that crime has been reduced, this didn't used to happen, but since a higher ranking police administrator's career is dependent upon the appearance that his leadership has had the effect of reducing crime, as well as his political aspirations, it is alot more common than you would think now.

    I've seen this happen first hand in my law enforcement days.

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