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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    If you would ask this question in my country, if the police was so heavily armed then I would have had said yes. But in the US I do not think that is true. While the use of swat or heavily armed officers has gone a bit too far, if you live in a country where every Tom, Dick, Harry, Susy, Mary or Linda can be armed to the teeth, then you have no sense of real security as an officer.

    I can still remember that heavily armed robbers had a 44 minute shootout with the police, if criminals are that heavily armed, it is not strange that the police will want to have, at least a few officers, that are equally if not better armed than the criminals they face.

    If the question had been, are militarily armed officers used too often, then I would have voted yes.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    I disagree with your analysis of the right wing.

    For decades I have noticed a split between the left and right when it comes to law enforcement. This division is never about law enforcement in general but instead WHICH law enforcement.

    We have local state and federal law enforcement. Based on my own observations left wingers like and support FEDERAL law enforcement while being critical of local law enforcement. Right wingers are the other way around.

    Take the examples of Ruby Ridge, Waco and even the recent Cliven Bundy circus, left wing progressives defend the governments action at every turn while conservatives accuse the government of doing wrong. On the other hand whenver there is a controversial shooting or use of force by local cops in any city the conservatives tend totake the side of the police while progressives scream police brutality or whatever.

    One also has to remmeber that more and more funding for local police comes from teh federal government now which somemay see as a shifting of loyolty and priorities on the part of the police. The idea of " to protect and serve " begs the question " WHO is being protected and served?" The citizens and people? Or mayeb those passing out the funding which is the federal government embodied by the chief executive.

    Both sides need to wake up and realize we have to many laws which why the government keeps justifying more and more law enforcement power.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Lawyers on this forum tried to explain this to him, he doesn't care about facts.




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    Lawyers citing no US law are irrelevant. Why does every dictionary ever cited state that cops are NOT civilians?
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    There are none so blind than those who refuse to see... Everyone but you is aware of the militarization of this civil authority. But since you're such a statist, I'm sure you're loving it.

    Here's how I view Haymarket in a police state:
    Making another silly personal attack on me does not negate the issues I raised - mainly that the right wing desire to cut taxes and decrease the size of government has caused a decrease in police officers across the country and this coincides with the increased reliance on technology to make up the difference. Your finger of blame has three more pointing right back at the far right getting the unintended consequences of their own desires.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Using google search does not make you smarter. Cops are civilians, ask any lawyer (or even any cop) and he/she will tell you because a civilian is anyone who isnt military.
    And denying what every dictionary tells us only makes one ignorant.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    If you would ask this question in my country, if the police was so heavily armed then I would have had said yes. But in the US I do not think that is true. While the use of swat or heavily armed officers has gone a bit too far, if you live in a country where every Tom, Dick, Harry, Susy, Mary or Linda can be armed to the teeth, then you have no sense of real security as an officer.

    I can still remember that heavily armed robbers had a 44 minute shootout with the police, if criminals are that heavily armed, it is not strange that the police will want to have, at least a few officers, that are equally if not better armed than the criminals they face.

    If the question had been, are militarily armed officers used too often, then I would have voted yes.
    We were just as heavily armed with smaller and less heavily armed police for over a century and few problems.

    Obviously you view point is wrong

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I blame the prevalence of guns in American society.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    SWAT teams should not be breaking down people's doors at 4AM to arrest one person over a drug charge. And then discovering that they've broken into the wrong house and threatened to kill an innocent family. And sometimes they even kill members of that innocent family.

    Police shouldn't be attacking American citizens' homes like it was Osama Bin Ladin's compound.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Seems every government agency and city now has a SWAT team. And SWAT activity has gone up by 1500% in the last two decades.

    John W. Whitehead: SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
    The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

    Police departments are now being given surplus military vehicles too to wage war war against its own citizens.

    TN Police Departments Get Tank-Like Military Vehicles - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports
    Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies - NY Daily News

    SWAT teams now routinely use no-knock entry tactics and sometimes end up shooting innocent people when they enter the wrong house or due to faulty intel.

    Jose Guerena shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Five Unnecessary SWAT Team Raids Gone Terribly Wrong
    WND reports on SWAT raids on the innocent

    Let us remember one thing, cops are not military personnel, they are classified as civilians, like everybody else who isnt military. Why should they be issued military weapons and dress like an army of occupation? Should something be done about this?



    That's an interesting question. I think in some instances, yes. I can understand the need for these types of teams in some instances which would be dangerous for the regular police to intervene, but there are some instances where we can, without a doubt, say that the police overkill with the use of force.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    I don't second guess the need for well-armed police in large population centers like New York City, Chicago, Miami, Los Angeles, etc. But what raises eyebrows is when in a county that has, for example, 11-13,000 people the police have a armored personnel carrier, automatic weapons w/ military upgrades and other military quality gear. That trend is happening all across the United States in small towns & cities. And while SWAT teams have an invaluable role, their meteoric rise in usage is troubling. It is as though every situation with nails gets a sledgehammer.

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