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Thread: Are Cops Too Militarized?

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I understand it pretty well and see that it fails to adequately address the issues of the excessive power and privilege of the rich and powerful and their corporations, protection of the environment and the excessive spending and destruction from the military-industrial complex.
    what we find amusing is those who claim that corporations have too much power and the rich have too much wealth, propose as solutions giving the government even more power and politicians even more wealth



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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Well apparently you don't because you made the claim that Libertarians protect the military industrial complex which, in of itself, is an outrageous claim. Considering Libertarians are some of the most anti-war, anti military people you will ever meet, it's laughable you'd even attempt to claim we support the beast that is the military industrial complex. Right off the bat, you've discredited yourself entirely by making that statement.

    It's also pretty funny that you claim that Libertarians support the rich and powerful considering we are vehemently opposed to corporate welfare, bank bailouts, and corporate/bank subsidies. In fact, Libertarians have been in opposition to even the "anti rich" Democrats on these issues. I put "anti rich" in quotes because Democrats are even deeper in the corporate profit than the Republicans, which is saying something! Libertarians are extremely anti-corporatist, to say otherwise once again shows an extreme lack of knowledge of even basic Libertarian principles.

    So, I will ask the question again. You have no flippin clue what libertarianism is, do you?
    There has been libertarian opposition to the USA's foreign wars, but there has been little libertarian opposition to the MIC, with many libertarians saying that the military is one of the few legitimate tasks of federal government. Libertarians may claim to be anti-corporate and they may oppose corporate welfare, bank bailouts, and corporate/bank subsidies but they want to eliminate most of the government 's (esp the Feds) attempts to monitor, control or regulate corporations and/or big business. Corporate welfare, bank bailouts, and corporate/bank subsidies are only a portion of the problems associated with corporations and the extremely rich having too much power, in fact, they are symptoms more than problems.

    Whatever the issue, the libertarian "solution" always requires reducing the size of government. When the problem is too much power in the hands of private entities, reducing the size and scope of government is most likely to make the situation worse.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...we just don't see as a valid reaction--to the allegations "corporations have too much power" --giving the government more power to loot corporate wealth and taxing shareholders even more
    Proving my point.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Proving my point.
    I find corporations less oppressive than government so I'd rather see corporations have more power and the government less



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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find corporations less oppressive than government so I'd rather see corporations have more power and the government less
    i have to say i prefer power divided.

    so special interest [unions, corporations, plan parenthood, environmentalist] have no power to succeed in lobbying our government, and the federal government is restrained by the state legislatures.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    you made perfect sense to me, I do not know what the issue is with this response towards you. I said a lot of violence and you stated that it was often due to gang violence and the ever present drug problem that fuels these gangs of thugs.
    Exactly, what keeps these gangs in the money? Drugs and prostitution. Legalization of both would put a huge dent in their profit margin and hurt their business obviously.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There has been libertarian opposition to the USA's foreign wars, but there has been little libertarian opposition to the MIC
    Of all the things Ron Paul ever complained about, the MIC was at the top of that list. Don't even. Opposition to war means opposition to the MIC. The MIC feeds off of wars and, frankly, would not exist without foreign interventionism. Which Libertarians oppose.

    When the problem is too much power in the hands of private entities, reducing the size and scope of government is most likely to make the situation worse.
    When the problem is a government largely bought out by private entities, giving more power to government is most likely to make the situation worse. The government can use it's control over the economy to benefit their corporate lapdogs. You can't just whine about how the government is bought out by big corporations and then propose that the government, which is deep in the pocket of these corporate entities, reign in their own masters. With political incentives discretion is a joke. It's a fundamentally flawed and disingenuous idea that only arises from a lack of economic knowledge and literacy.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    It will adjust to another vice.

    The problem isn't drugs as much as it is the culture present in those types of neighborhoods and the lack of education.
    Not that easy to adjust when the money is gone. The money is made possible by drug prohibition.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Whatever the issue, the libertarian "solution" always requires reducing the size of government. When the problem is too much power in the hands of private entities, reducing the size and scope of government is most likely to make the situation worse.
    How exactly would reducing the size of the government make things worse?

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    How exactly would reducing the size of the government make things worse?
    I think TOO MUCH government is the problem here. Is this a free country or what?

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