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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You posted a link talking about a narcotic drugs convention in Vienna and a Wikipedia article discussing the War on Drugs in general.

    Neither of these describe the "fallout" of the war on drugs and how it is the sole reason why there is violent crime in the inner city neighborhoods.

    You also ignored my comment as to what you are implying via this.... So I'll ask a question instead...

    Do you believe if the war on drugs ended tomorrow that we would see inner city crime-ridden gang-ridden neighborhoods become peaceful family friendly neighborhoods?
    Obviously not overnight but yes much of the crime and gang activities in inner cities is caused by the war on drugs so ending it would alleviate the probems some.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Seems every government agency and city now has a SWAT team. And SWAT activity has gone up by 1500% in the last two decades.

    John W. Whitehead: SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
    The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

    Police departments are now being given surplus military vehicles too to wage war war against its own citizens.

    TN Police Departments Get Tank-Like Military Vehicles - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports
    Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies - NY Daily News

    SWAT teams now routinely use no-knock entry tactics and sometimes end up shooting innocent people when they enter the wrong house or due to faulty intel.

    Jose Guerena shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Five Unnecessary SWAT Team Raids Gone Terribly Wrong
    WND reports on SWAT raids on the innocent

    Let us remember one thing, cops are not military personnel, they are classified as civilians, like everybody else who isnt military. Why should they be issued military weapons and dress like an army of occupation? Should something be done about this?



    We all have the Drug Warriors to thank for it.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    How we are getting somewhere.

    The above is something I agree with as well.

    But you need to start articulating it in your post, rather than just saying, "ITS THE WAR ON DRUGS STUUUPID!!!" and then here read this link and then guess WTF my position is!

    I think your posts would be taken more seriously if you could articulate what you are talking about up front.


    But, the criminality of the inner city would be softened at first until a new vice is picked up, then it would go right back to what it was before. Why?

    The anti-education no-morals parenting done in these neighborhoods is going to result in criminal activity regardless of what drug is legal or not.
    I don't really know what you mean, because I was addressing the post below. I thought my position was perfectly clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, you are wrong, I viewed the statistics before I first answered your question. But in the past I have also, in earlier discussions, compared crime statistics in the US to those in other industrialized countries and the number of murders as well as the insane number of people jailed in the US show that there is a problem with violence in the US. Without these militarized police units the violence might be much worse.

    So please don't thank yourself for things that live only in your mind and not in reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Our biggest problems with violence come from the inner city poor neighborhoods where gangs reign supreme. Most of this is related to drugs and the fallout of our "war against drugs."

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't really know what you mean, because I was addressing the post below. I thought my position was perfectly clear.
    you made perfect sense to me, I do not know what the issue is with this response towards you. I said a lot of violence and you stated that it was often due to gang violence and the ever present drug problem that fuels these gangs of thugs.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Do you believe if the war on drugs ended tomorrow that we would see inner city crime-ridden gang-ridden neighborhoods become peaceful family friendly neighborhoods?
    We can't expect this, but I think we could expect an significant improvement if we are consistent in the new policy. If a career criminal can't make a living selling drugs at a huge markup, then they'll find something else.

    Prior to Prohibition, which more or less rolled right into the WoD, illegal gambling, prostitution, and extortion was the norm for career criminals, alongside theft at all levels.

    I'd argue gambling and prostitution should be similarly decriminalized, draining those illegal markets of their profits.

    While it still happens, I'd wager a violent extortionist's and thief's jobs are getting harder, with the all the cameras around.

    Freeing up police to investigate those crimes can't hurt. Without the massive profits from the vice trades, criminal will have a harder time corrupting police.

    With fewer options and increased difficulty, we can hope that more folks who would otherwise become criminals will see legitimate work as the easier career path.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Your confusion is that you tend to try and define all libertarians. Maybe you should stop doing that.
    I'm not defining all libertarians, it's a fact. On the popular, frequently used left/right paradigm scale, libertarianism does not fit. Some say libertarianism is the radical centrist position, some say it transcends it altogether. Either way, it does not fit. Now, on the little-known political compass, in which DP seems to use for leans, I would say that libertarians can be economically left or right. Key word there though, economically. Socially, it still doesn't fit within the left/right. The left wants social engineering, the right wants social conservation and traditionalism. Libertarians want neither as both compromise individual liberty to some degree. But since few people actually understand that chart, I stick with libertarianism is neither left-wing nor right-wing. It's simple.

    As for libertarianism being conservatism, it's not really defining other libertarians to state that the two ideas are radically different and thus not compatible to be smashed together constantly.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    First, conservatives are not a race based party... And really, when you dig deep enough, it's the democrats that were the party of the clan. Just like the NRA was about ensuring that black people could defend themselves from the klan. Side issue though.

    Yes, conservatives did give bush a pass, just like democrats gave Clinton, and now Obama a pass...

    That's what happens with "party" politics.

    The crimes of one do not justify the crimes of another, and really, if you like Obama, you MUST HAVE LOVED bush, because the agenda continued like a relay racer passing the baton. (Or you hate bush because he did not do enough)
    You won't find me defending Obama's policies of domestic spying without reasonable suspicion, torture, foreign wars, and the militarization of police departments. Human rights and civil liberties should always prevail over partisan advantage.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Maybe you just weren't paying attention to what Conservatives were saying on the subject then?

    BTW...... You are still being a race-douche.
    I was on another forum similar to this during the Bush II years and read the newspapers daily when conservatives routinely called anyone concerned about civil liberties and human rights issues "terrorist sympathizers."

    Its not race-baiting when its true.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I'm not defining all libertarians, it's a fact. On the popular, frequently used left/right paradigm scale, libertarianism does not fit. Some say libertarianism is the radical centrist position, some say it transcends it altogether. Either way, it does not fit. Now, on the little-known political compass, in which DP seems to use for leans, I would say that libertarians can be economically left or right. Key word there though, economically. Socially, it still doesn't fit within the left/right. The left wants social engineering, the right wants social conservation and traditionalism. Libertarians want neither as both compromise individual liberty to some degree. But since few people actually understand that chart, I stick with libertarianism is neither left-wing nor right-wing. It's simple.

    As for libertarianism being conservatism, it's not really defining other libertarians to state that the two ideas are radically different and thus not compatible to be smashed together constantly.
    When it comes down to real-life issues, most libertarians stand with conservatives in protecting the power and privilege of the rich and powerful and their corporations as well as the military-industrial complex.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ok, Chris dorner reaction. Cops shot up multiple vehicles, some of them not even the tight make of model.

    How much more should be needed?
    And having regular guns would have magically kept multiple vehicles from getting shot?

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