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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    There is another argument against the 1911. They are just not as reliable as some more modern designs. They are no where near as forgiving when it comes to dirt or mud.
    Also while the 45 may be a bigger round the actual difference between a 45 and 9mm as it relates to killing a person are very negligible. And as 9mm is softer recoiling it allows faster follow up shots
    Multiple center mass shots done as quickly as possible are as I am sure you know the quickest way to end a gunfight.
    most of the arguments against the reliability are based on target guns that are built tight. as to killing a person you are right. as to stopping power, perhaps not. for novices you are right. my splits for double taps with USPSA major ammunition in a 1911 and minor USPSA power factor 9mm is negligible



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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Few conservatives (whites) had a problem with domestic spying without reasonable suspicion, torture, foreign wars, and the militarization of police departments until Obama was elected, then all of a sudden those issues became a concern.
    First, conservatives are not a race based party... And really, when you dig deep enough, it's the democrats that were the party of the clan. Just like the NRA was about ensuring that black people could defend themselves from the klan. Side issue though.

    Yes, conservatives did give bush a pass, just like democrats gave Clinton, and now Obama a pass...

    That's what happens with "party" politics.

    The crimes of one do not justify the crimes of another, and really, if you like Obama, you MUST HAVE LOVED bush, because the agenda continued like a relay racer passing the baton. (Or you hate bush because he did not do enough)

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    If by criminal you mean "not a cop", then yes its not good for criminals.
    No.
    I mean criminals.
    Explain how police with military style equipment and tactics to be used in dangerous situations is not good for the public.

    Your response should include something more descriptive than "It isn't"

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Few conservatives (whites) had a problem with domestic spying without reasonable suspicion, torture, foreign wars, and the militarization of police departments until Obama was elected, then all of a sudden those issues became a concern.
    Maybe you just weren't paying attention to what Conservatives were saying on the subject then?

    BTW...... You are still being a race-douche.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    When US law enforcement started to take on the color of military.
    I think it is stupid and unnecessary to wear camouflage colors just to stand out on the city streets as well.... but...


    Why all the fashion police?

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When in our history did the American right wing begin the hard turn against law enforcement? At one time American conservatives and support for law enforcement went hand in hand. Now, its obvious that the hate for government that is part and parcel of libertarianism has been extended to law enforcement. When did this devolution happen?

    This thread is merely the latest example of it here.
    So not wanting the police to dress like commandos, but wear traditional police uniforms means we're anti-police? Do you always let your imagination run wild like that? Tell me what city police need camo for. Are they planning to hide in the trees?
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, I didn't ignore it. All of those things were addressed in the links I provided. Like I said, we aren't the only country with a war on drugs, and it was started by US. Also, gang feuds and a lot of the related murders are related to drugs because there is a black market for them, just like what happens with practically everything the government tries to limit access to.

    I think that legalization of some drugs would put a dent in the inner city gang violence, yes.
    How we are getting somewhere.

    The above is something I agree with as well.

    But you need to start articulating it in your post, rather than just saying, "ITS THE WAR ON DRUGS STUUUPID!!!" and then here read this link and then guess WTF my position is!

    I think your posts would be taken more seriously if you could articulate what you are talking about up front.


    But, the criminality of the inner city would be softened at first until a new vice is picked up, then it would go right back to what it was before. Why?

    The anti-education no-morals parenting done in these neighborhoods is going to result in criminal activity regardless of what drug is legal or not.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Libertarians are neither right-winged nor conservative. Perhaps this is the stem of your confusion?
    Your confusion is that you tend to try and define all libertarians. Maybe you should stop doing that.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    In some areas perhaps, until the unforeseen happens, in others, they probably wish they were even better equipped. The more crazy people become, the more our law enforcement needs to adjust.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    No.
    I mean criminals.
    Explain how police with military style equipment and tactics to be used in dangerous situations is not good for the public.

    Your response should include something more descriptive than "It isn't"
    Ok, Chris dorner reaction. Cops shot up multiple vehicles, some of them not even the tight make of model.

    How much more should be needed?

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