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Thread: Are Cops Too Militarized?

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Whats with the obsession with race?

    Why 'dey gotta be white?
    Many white conservatives feel that they should remain in a privileged position due to their race.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many white conservatives feel that they should remain in a privileged position due to their race.
    Put the race card back in the deck... Militarized police is not good for ANYONE, except maybe the cops (until people start fighting back, you can only push people so far)

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Militarized police is not good for ANYONE, except maybe the cops (until people start fighting back, you can only push people so far)
    Militarized police isn't good for criminals.......

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many white conservatives feel that they should remain in a privileged position due to their race.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Militarized police isn't good for criminals.......
    If by criminal you mean "not a cop", then yes its not good for criminals.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Put the race card back in the deck... Militarized police is not good for ANYONE, except maybe the cops (until people start fighting back, you can only push people so far)
    Few conservatives (whites) had a problem with domestic spying without reasonable suspicion, torture, foreign wars, and the militarization of police departments until Obama was elected, then all of a sudden those issues became a concern.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Few conservatives (whites) had a problem with domestic spying without reasonable suspicion, torture, foreign wars, and the militarization of police departments until Obama was elected, then all of a sudden those issues became a concern.
    any proof of that claim?



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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When in our history did the American right wing begin the hard turn against law enforcement? At one time American conservatives and support for law enforcement went hand in hand. Now, its obvious that the hate for government that is part and parcel of libertarianism has been extended to law enforcement. When did this devolution happen?

    This thread is merely the latest example of it here.
    When US law enforcement started to take on the color of military.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You posted a link talking about a narcotic drugs convention in Vienna and a Wikipedia article discussing the War on Drugs in general.

    Neither of these describe the "fallout" of the war on drugs and how it is the sole reason why there is violent crime in the inner city neighborhoods.

    You also ignored my comment as to what you are implying via this.... So I'll ask a question instead...

    Do you believe if the war on drugs ended tomorrow that we would see inner city crime-ridden gang-ridden neighborhoods become peaceful family friendly neighborhoods?
    No, I didn't ignore it. All of those things were addressed in the links I provided. Like I said, we aren't the only country with a war on drugs, and it was started by US. Also, gang feuds and a lot of the related murders are related to drugs because there is a black market for them, just like what happens with practically everything the government tries to limit access to.

    I think that legalization of some drugs would put a dent in the inner city gang violence, yes.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Massad Ayoob called the 1911 "the black belt's weapon" for gun fighting meaning for experts it is ideal. I have close to a half million rounds through a pistol-many of them in high stress timed events. Now I shoot a SW M&P CORE in Stock steel and a CZ "Czechmate" Race gun in open class but I spent years shooting USPSA and "Bowling Pin" Events with various incarnations of the 1911 including a Colt Series 70 Wilson LE-K Comp and a Fred Craig built Para/Caspian 15 round 1911. Very few pistols have the natural pointing characteristics of the 1911 and the sliding-as opposed to pivoting-trigger is hard to match for pure speed shooting. Combined with the fact that the 1911 paired with 45 ACP is a

    1) very accurate round
    2) a low pressure round meaning much greater service life than stuff like the 40 SW
    3) and has proven stopping power even in military FMJ rounds

    you have a great combination of self defense

    additionally, unlike modern Double action.single action pistols-the trigger pull is constant on a 1911-unlike say a Beretta or Sig Sauer. sand while the Glocks and other striker fired weapons have a constant trigger pull, they aren' as smooth

    magazine changes on the 1911 are slightly slower due to the single stack magazine compared to the double stacked 9mm or 40 SW firearms though.

    the only argument against the 1911 as a service weapon is

    a) 45 ACP ammo is heavier than 9mm
    b) 1911s generally have lower capacity than 9mms

    for weak shooters, the recoil is more severe than a 9mm. however, the recoil on a 1911 in 45 ACP is less damaging to your joints than the recoil in the 40 SW.
    There is another argument against the 1911. They are just not as reliable as some more modern designs. They are no where near as forgiving when it comes to dirt or mud.
    Also while the 45 may be a bigger round the actual difference between a 45 and 9mm as it relates to killing a person are very negligible. And as 9mm is softer recoiling it allows faster follow up shots
    Multiple center mass shots done as quickly as possible are as I am sure you know the quickest way to end a gunfight.

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