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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Do you really think this is a right-wing phenom? I'd be very surprised if that were the case. Think hippies and pigs.
    When institutions become overbearing, it is part of the american fabric to push back. We conservatives and hippies alike value freedom without the threat of big brother interfering in and chilling our speech and lawful acts.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am sorry, but using handguns does not save the life of an officer when he busts down a door to arrest a drug dealer.
    Cops are supposed to knock on doors and identify themselves. No-knock entries should be eliminated. Yeah, yeah I know that drug dealers might flush their stashes down toilets but a lot of grief such as going into the wrong house and killing innocents may be prevented if we stopped this stupid drug war.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes the police are being militarized and it should be stopped.This is nothing more than a back door violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.
    I agree, and would add the creation of the Department of Homeland Security as another extension of this.

    It is essentially a law enforcement agency that was specifically created to get around most protections that exist for US citizens from police overreach. Though created after 9/11 for the purpose of thwarting terrorists, today its main focus is enforcing laws against American citizens that are in no way related to terrorist activity.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    I agree, and would add the creation of the Department of Homeland Security as another extension of this.

    It is essentially a law enforcement agency that was specifically created to get around most protections that exist for US citizens from police overreach. Though created after 9/11 for the purpose of thwarting terrorists, today its main focus is enforcing laws against American citizens that are in no way related to terrorist activity.
    Right, because the terrorists hate our freedoms, therefore, if we get rid of freedom then the terrorists will back off.

    I remember a time where, the policy was "we do not negotiate with terrorists", now, it's the opposite, now it's "let's preemptively give in to what we believe the terrorists want, to inoculate ourselves against terrorism".

    But, you all wanted the patriot act, the NDAA. And all those other recent changes to the core values Americans espouse.

    At the end of the day, you want someone to blame, blame yourselves collectively.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    No I am living in the present. The point is times were not much different in the past.

    Gangs and criminals and outlaws have always been as heavily armed and the police did not need militarization to deal with them.

    150 years ago they simply used shotguns or dynamite or whatever powerful weapon they could get their hands on. Same spraying of countless bullets but the cops did not feel the need to have a permanent army as they do today. Perhaps because in some cases the citizens assisted the police with posses or other support.

    The point your argument is a false one because only the cops are recently being more heavily armed the criminals and gangs are not more heavily armed than the 1930s or 40s or 50s etc.
    Good post soup!

    I saw a TV documentary about the policing of the 1930s. Apparently the bank robber gangs had gotten a hold of some BAR 50s and Thompson sub-machine guns. The Police were no match using 38 stub-nosed specials. They had to upgrade their fire power just to be able to keep up with the gangs.

    I suppose that what we see today is that law enforcement never wants to play catch up again.

    The difference is that while Bonnie and Clyde were wanted dead of alive, the SWAT teams of today are being used in far lighter crimes. It's like they want to instill fear in the average law abiding citizen. This culminates in deaths in raids that used to just cause arrests.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    What is this "fallout" you speak of.

    You had to find some way to pin the term "war on drugs" into your response.... now explain what this fallout of our war on drugs is..
    What? Is this a serious question?

    Let's not forget that the "war on drugs" is not just an American thing. Other countries have adopted this policy at our urging as well. See links below.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/op...so11.html?_r=0

    War on Drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Good post soup!

    I saw a TV documentary about the policing of the 1930s. Apparently the bank robber gangs had gotten a hold of some BAR 50s and Thompson sub-machine guns. The Police were no match using 38 stub-nosed specials. They had to upgrade their fire power just to be able to keep up with the gangs.

    I suppose that what we see today is that law enforcement never wants to play catch up again.

    The difference is that while Bonnie and Clyde were wanted dead of alive, the SWAT teams of today are being used in far lighter crimes. It's like they want to instill fear in the average law abiding citizen. This culminates in deaths in raids that used to just cause arrests.
    Yes I was going to mention that as well.
    I have a history book with pictures of Bonnie and Clyde before they were killed. They had an arsenal of weapons to include BARs Thompsons etc. Yes a lot of fire power was employed to bring them down but it was not a permanent fixture of law enforcement.

    Those weapons employed in the 30s were every bit as deadly and powerful as today. For the most part the police did not feel the need to have permanent teams available to deal with it.

    Today every police departments wants SWAT, armored vehicles, helicopters, snipers etc. Not to mention very ominous intelligence gathering technology such as license plate scanners which are used to build a data base of every automobiles movement.

    What often happens is these powerful forces sit around waiting for the big event to happen where they are needed. As time drags on with no such massive emergency they are employed routinely for trivial offenses and situation. As you point out they are used for light wieght crimes and as a result people get hurt. But hey at least they justified the massive budget.

    It was only a few decades ago that the norm for police serving a warrant was to knock and present the document then proceed to arrest or search. Now the norm is a no knock assault. Not a week goes by when we do not hear of yet another foul up because they only discover after the fact that they hit the wrong home or address. Or they had to kill a pet or slam someone causing a heart attack or miscarriage or even shooting the wrong person.

    I agree with allowing the police what is needed to do their job but it is obviously a problem when they are becoming as much a threat to people as a criminal is.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Good post soup!

    I saw a TV documentary about the policing of the 1930s. Apparently the bank robber gangs had gotten a hold of some BAR 50s and Thompson sub-machine guns. The Police were no match using 38 stub-nosed specials. They had to upgrade their fire power just to be able to keep up with the gangs.

    I suppose that what we see today is that law enforcement never wants to play catch up again.

    The difference is that while Bonnie and Clyde were wanted dead of alive, the SWAT teams of today are being used in far lighter crimes. It's like they want to instill fear in the average law abiding citizen. This culminates in deaths in raids that used to just cause arrests.
    Ok here is some of the weapons Bonnie and CLyde had after they were killed.

    Are Cops Too Militarized?-barrowdeathcararsenal1934-jpg

    The idea some seem to have that guns are more prevelant today is simply silly. Americans always had access to guns. Assault weapons of 80 years ago were as deadly as they are today.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Ok here is some of the weapons Bonnie and CLyde had after they were killed.

    Are Cops Too Militarized?-barrowdeathcararsenal1934-jpg

    The idea some seem to have that guns are more prevelant today is simply silly. Americans always had access to guns. Assault weapons of 80 years ago were as deadly as they are today.
    Yeah, like the Thompson submachine gun (Tommy Gun/Chicago Typewriter) which hurled .45's and could have a 100-round drum.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Ok here is some of the weapons Bonnie and CLyde had after they were killed.

    Are Cops Too Militarized?-barrowdeathcararsenal1934-jpg

    The idea some seem to have that guns are more prevelant today is simply silly. Americans always had access to guns. Assault weapons of 80 years ago were as deadly as they are today.
    colt 45 ACP 1911 is still seen by many who understand the topic as being the premier military or self defense handgun PERIOD

    and those two browning automatic rifles (20 rounds of 30-06) are more powerful than either the M16 or the AK 47

    a bit heavier but in terms of firepower, very few weapons you can easily carry can match it



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