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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I dont necessarily doubt it.

    There could be another anecdotal reason why violent crime is down overall.
    I believe there are many reasons, including things like the use of unleaded gasoline.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You know that stat people love throwing up when trying to shame our own country about prison populations then they roll on to whining about drug laws?

    Could it be violent crime is on the decline because we are actually locking up people, including for drug offenses (most violent crime stems from the drug trade in the first place) ?
    Not in my opinion, when they're releasing hardened violent criminals to make room for otherwise law abiding stoners. That violent crime you speak stems from the War on Drugs, since they're dealing with a black market commodity. That is the effect of prohibition, always has been; all the way back to the Volstead Act (alcohol prohibition.)

    Have you read the stories about the effect of decriminalization is having on crime in Denver?
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yes, the US homicide rate is currently falling, but no single cause has been determined to be driving it. What is your point?

    U.S. death rate from homicide drops to a near 50-year low - The Washington Post
    Juking the stats...

    That is your cause.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Absolutely. And I totally think there are some decent situations in which the police can and should be deployed less like police and more like civil military control. Heads of State visits, big speeches, international ceremonies, sure.
    Why do they need commandos,machine guns, missiles and jets?

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Your dodging and diversion do live in reality. You ranted on about uzi's and ak47's, and the crime stat's do not match your statements. Now you claim you looked at the stats and keep trudging the path of ignorance, when clearly you did not. You still have yet to deal with the reality that your original statement is total nonsense and not based in reality. Good attempt to keep shifting the focus in an attempt to move away from your ignorance on the subject, but you have failed.
    That comment had to do with your incorrect accusation and arrogant wise nosery comment about me not looking at the crime figures.

    I also did not mean the use of heavy weapons but the risk and threat of heavy weapons. If the police raids a house they almost never know what kind of weapons the suspect has in his/her house and the liberal weapons laws and the availability of heavy weapons means that the police will have to act or assume that the suspect may have such weapons.

    That is the risk the cops have to deal with and it is not an assumed risk.

    Your wise nosery claim that I did not look at the crime stats was untrue. I did not dodge anything IMHO and that is all that matters. And I did not claim I looked at those figures, I looked at those figures and while the numbers are a good deal lower than sometime ago, the crime numbers and the threat level is still way too high for a civilized western country. That is the reality.

    And I am not shifting focus, I am still of the opinion that in a country with such an easy access to heavy guns and the risk of large numbers of handguns, it is not that strange that the police has become that militarized. Do I like it? No, I wish it were not necessary. Do I worry about it? Yes, there will be risks of excesses but for that there should be oversight and the moral standards of the police and it's officers. Because not all officers and/or police agencies always hold themselves to those standards does not mean that there is no need for militarized police units, maybe the biggest thing that is needed is better oversight and using these extreme police practices as seldom as possible.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And I am not shifting focus,
    Yes, you are continuing to shift the focus off your stupid claims, and continuing on with your line of thinking. You know, ignoring the reality to continue the fantasy….
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We are not talking about individual ownership of weapons.We are talking about the militarization of law enforcement.
    okay - so how you define and measure such a charge beyond mere updating of technology and the use of additional technology to replace actual humans?
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    okay - so how you define and measure such a charge beyond mere updating of technology and the use of additional technology to replace actual humans?
    Again this thread is about the militarization of the police. Take your rant about 2nd amendment advocates somewhere else.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again this thread is about the militarization of the police. Take your rant about 2nd amendment advocates somewhere else.
    Rant about the 2nd Amendment!?!?!?!?! What the hell are you talking about????? I asked how do you define the charge of militarization of police and gave you some parameters. I have no idea what the 2nd amendment has to do with your outburst.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yes, you are continuing to shift the focus off your stupid claims, and continuing on with your line of thinking. You know, ignoring the reality to continue the fantasy….
    You mean you made an incorrect accusation, saying I did not look at the crime statistics and I called you for it?

    Sorry, but I think there is too much violence in the US even if it is not as bad as it was a few years ago. Life for a police officer is still way too dangerous. I would much rather have a heavily armed swat team raiding a house with shock and awe. IMHO that gives the most safety for the officers and for the suspect. I think a suspect is more in danger if officers with much less training raid a house or try to arrest a person.

    The reality is that being a police officer in the US is dangerous. Just like being arrested or being stopped by the police can be a real danger in the US. Those things are reality. In the Netherlands and a lot of other countries it is very rare that a police officer needs to draw his gun and much less often he has to fire his guns.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Seems every government agency and city now has a SWAT team. And SWAT activity has gone up by 1500% in the last two decades.

    John W. Whitehead: SWAT Team Mania: The War Against the American Citizen
    The United States of SWAT? | National Review Online

    Police departments are now being given surplus military vehicles too to wage war war against its own citizens.

    TN Police Departments Get Tank-Like Military Vehicles - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports
    Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies - NY Daily News

    SWAT teams now routinely use no-knock entry tactics and sometimes end up shooting innocent people when they enter the wrong house or due to faulty intel.

    Jose Guerena shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Let us remember one thing, cops are not military personnel, they are classified as civilians, like everybody else who isnt military. Why should they be issued military weapons and dress like an army of occupation? Should something be done about this?









    As an ex-cop I say yes, it has become so.

    Things we used to send two regular uniform officers with sidearms to handle, now call for a SWAT team armed like Seal Team Six and dressed in all black like Stormtroopers from hell, a helicopter with FLIR sensors and an armored personnel transport.

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