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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yes, the US homicide rate is currently falling, but no single cause has been determined to be driving it. What is your point?

    U.S. death rate from homicide drops to a near 50-year low - The Washington Post
    I didn't have a point, I was asking a question; and it wasn't originally pointed at you. I was asking Caine, though I welcomed your response...

    Whats the point of asking Caine? Well he's in Law Enforcement and I respect his opinion. I like to hear the opinions of people I respect, is that alright with you?
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    If you're only concerned with local crime thats fine,
    I am. I could care less if gang bangers in big cities are offing each other every second of the day. I intentionally chose a small town to live in…..

    year, murders, rapes, robberies, Assaults,Burglaries,Thefts,Vehicle Thefts, Arson
    2012 1 0 3 38 112 555 26 3

    2011 0 2 7 21 90 561 21 4

    2010 2 5 5 30 94 586 17 15

    2009 1 4 8 52 119 756 18 4

    2008 0 6 8 34 114 661 30 4

    2007 0 4 5 47 124 579 21 11

    2006 1 6 3 23 89 510 32 2

    2005 1 7 7 17 77 562 17 5

    But most everyone in town has guns….
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I didn't have a point, I was asking a question; and it wasn't originally pointed at you. I was asking Caine, though I welcomed your response...

    Whats the point of asking Caine? Well he's in Law Enforcement and I respect his opinion. I like to hear the opinions of people I respect, is that alright with you?
    Certainly, but you are quite capable of discovering these national statistics for yourself since you too have internet connectivity. I just happened upon a post of yours that stated DC crime was dropping and pointed out that right across the Anacostia river it was rising. While the nation, as a whole, is experiencing an overall reduction in crime (or at least homicides) that does not mean that all protions of it are experincing that trend. One must also take into account that these statistics are based only on reported crimes, which are a subset of the actual crimes, especially in those areas where gangs are involved and prefer to leave the police out of the loop.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I am. I could care less if gang bangers in big cities are offing each other every second of the day. I intentionally chose a small town to live in…..

    year, murders, rapes, robberies, Assaults,Burglaries,Thefts,Vehicle Thefts, Arson
    2012 1 0 3 38 112 555 26 3

    2011 0 2 7 21 90 561 21 4

    2010 2 5 5 30 94 586 17 15

    2009 1 4 8 52 119 756 18 4

    2008 0 6 8 34 114 661 30 4

    2007 0 4 5 47 124 579 21 11

    2006 1 6 3 23 89 510 32 2

    2005 1 7 7 17 77 562 17 5

    But most everyone in town has guns….
    I find that rather hard to read... but I get your point. I no longer live in Baltimore or DC; but their suburbs in Montgomery County. My goal is a remote farm. What I never understand is why people chose to remain in ****holes?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Certainly, but you are quite capable of discovering these national statistics for yourself since you too have internet connectivity. I just happened upon a post of yours that stated DC crime was dropping and pointed out that right across the Anacostia river it was rising. While the nation, as a whole, is experiencing an overall reduction in crime (or at least homicides) that does not mean that all protions of it are experincing that trend. One must also take into account that these statistics are based only on reported crimes, which are a subset of the actual crimes, especially in those areas where gangs are involved and prefer to leave the police out of the loop.
    Yes I can, I'm aware of these stats and cite them regularly. The issue was, Caine brought into question said #'s given his experience with "juking the stats" so I wanted to know if he thought said juking amounted to so much that in fact violent crime hadn't gone down.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Yes I can, I'm aware of these stats and cite them regularly. The issue was, Caine brought into question said #'s given his experience with "juking the stats" so I wanted to know if he thought said juking amounted to so much that in fact violent crime hadn't gone down.
    As I have pointed out; there is a difference in reported crime and actual crime. Whether that is driven by the reporting agencies not accurately reporting crime or the victims electing not to get the police involved is another matter all together. If a person "disappears" that may, or may not, count as a reported crime; no body = no homicide.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I find that rather hard to read... but I get your point. I no longer live in Baltimore or DC; but their suburbs in Montgomery County. My goal is a remote farm. What I never understand is why people chose to remain in ****holes?
    I guess it comes down to there being a whole 7 murders around here since 2004 (when I moved here)… the year with 2 were actually two police officers killed by a nutcase in a shootout. Of course the nutcase was killed but he doesn't count as a murder… suicide by cop.

    I don't know why people like big over congested places either… "There is stuff to do" is often what I hear…. I have loads to do no matter where I am, I don't need to traffic and annoying masses of humanity.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    But do you doubt that violent crime is and has been on the decline?

    Because I grew up in DC during the 80's "crack epidemic" then spent the past 10 years in Baltimore and despite how bad it was, I truly see it getting better.
    I dont necessarily doubt it.

    There could be another anecdotal reason why violent crime is down overall.

    You know that stat people love throwing up when trying to shame our own country about prison populations then they roll on to whining about drug laws?

    Could it be violent crime is on the decline because we are actually locking up people, including for drug offenses (most violent crime stems from the drug trade in the first place) ?

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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So the right wing wants citizens to be able to update based on latest technology in the field of weaponry but the police are somehow exempt to that same dynamic? That is the example of anti-law enforcement attitudes that permeate the far right especially right libertarians.
    We are not talking about individual ownership of weapons.We are talking about the militarization of law enforcement.
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    Re: Are Cops Too Militarized?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Our biggest problems with violence come from the inner city poor neighborhoods where gangs reign supreme. Most of this is related to drugs and the fallout of our "war against drugs."
    What is this "fallout" you speak of.

    You had to find some way to pin the term "war on drugs" into your response.... now explain what this fallout of our war on drugs is..

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