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  • Yes, we let kids off too easy, they need to prove themselves

    30 61.22%
  • No, this can devastate and humiliate a teen

    3 6.12%
  • It's only fair if the teen failed other classes

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Thread: High school exit exams

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    "Is far more than memorization" And the last time you were in the PES was? For me? not even a year ago. Nothing wrong with memorization yes, but there is too much of it at the cost of everything else like experience.
    I am technically "in" it now. Because I have children. And yes, I expect my children to know about major historical events, mathematical formulas, the location of a major continent. I think almost parent expects their children to learn these things.

    As for experience, what experience are you talking about? Child labor camps?
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think most of that "feel good about yourself" that you mention was in vogue about 40 years ago. It's not so popular any more anyway.
    I think it is. There are many college students, for example, who think that they deserve a passing grade just because they came to class every day. There are others who aren't even marginally prepared for college work but who blame their profs rather than themselves for deciding so long ago that they didn't "like" to read. They think it's unfair (and so do their helicopter parents) that they have to take remedial ("developmental") math classes for no credit before they can enroll in algebra.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    My son graduates next week, one of his friends isn't b/c he failed the test and is devastated. I feel bad for him, he's a good kid. I know if they had this requirement when I was in HS I wouldn't have graduated b/c I would have failed the math portion. You have to pass all three, math, science ,and English. I was terrible at math and only made it to pre algebra. If it wasn't division, multiplication, adding and subtracting, it was Greek to me. I just think it's stupid, especially in states where the school systems are the lowest ranking!
    Is that a roundabout way of saying our school system has been failing for quite some time and we're just noticing now with this generation that we've tested?

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    Re: High school exit exams

    It seems to me that people who are too ****ing stupid to do well on tests always seem to bitch about tests.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    So they can memorize more? You guys are missing the point, the educational system needs to be changed fundamentally, the entire system is stuck in the early 1900's when we were an industrial economy.
    actually, it was the system from our agrarian age; a time when families worked the farm. hence, the need to take summers off to tend to the crops
    so, why the need for summers off today, when our kids are no longer needed to tend our crops in the field

    Now that we are going into what is called an "intellectual" economy our education needs to change as such.
    in the information age, with most information at our fingertips, the need to teach research techniques to students has substantially diminished. as has the need to remember information that is readily available. teaching students to solve problems is much more difficult. now, instead of expecting the right answers, we should instead be expecting the students to formulate and ask the most appropriate questions

    8th grade (last year for me) was the most idiotic thing I ever experienced. It's these little things like memorizing formulas and not getting formulas on a sheet rather than being given the formulas and understanding where to apply them in math problems and in problems of the "real world". Nah, instead, you just memorize the formulas for the sake of memorizing and come test time you have to find (in verbatim) "The circumference of a tin can found in the trash".

    "The circumference of a tin can found in the trash"
    did not follow your anecdote
    but if your objection is to the forcing of memorization instead of the application of math processes, then we are in sync

    I don't even have to explain at this point as to why our education system is a terrible piece of **** you guys should get the point by now.
    pointing out what does not work is a common ability
    being able to explain why it does not work requires a stronger mind
    and being able to fashion a solution to the problem is something few are able to successfully undertake
    with that i encourage you to share with us what should be done to make the education system a better one
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually, it was the system from our agrarian age; a time when families worked the farm. hence, the need to take summers off to tend to the crops
    so, why the need for summers off today, when our kids are no longer needed to tend our crops in the field

    Because they need a break.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I think it is. There are many college students, for example, who think that they deserve a passing grade just because they came to class every day. There are others who aren't even marginally prepared for college work but who blame their profs rather than themselves for deciding so long ago that they didn't "like" to read. They think it's unfair (and so do their helicopter parents) that they have to take remedial ("developmental") math classes for no credit before they can enroll in algebra.
    It has been a while since I've been in college, but I don't remember ever being able to pass just by attending classes. How is that philosophy working out for the students of today? Is blaming their own lack of success on their profs helping them graduate? If they can actually get away with drifting through four years, then the system is indeed in big trouble.

    As for the remedial classes, I hear complaints about that all the time. It used to be that you had to know how to read, write, and do math in order to be accepted. Junior colleges were for remedial classes. Why do universities even accept students who aren't prepared?
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Because they need a break.
    if that were actually true, our work force would need to vacation for the three months of summer
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    in the information age, with most information at our fingertips, the need to teach research techniques to students has substantially diminished. as has the need to remember information that is readily available. teaching students to solve problems is much more difficult. now, instead of expecting the right answers, we should instead be expecting the students to formulate and ask the most appropriate questions
    They need practice in critical thinking. I don't know how to solve the problem of what I see now, which is a generation that is bereft of intellectual curiosity. I mean, they have none. WTF are they doing in college then? (Answer: Learning a trade.)

    I emphatically disagree with your statement that "the need to teach research techniques to students has substantially diminished." To the contrary, the need has never been more pressing, and this is because of the availability of information. In particular, accurate and complete documentation must be taught; this is an essential component of any research.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if that were actually true, our work force would need to vacation for the three months of summer
    Could you explain how you came to that ridiculous conclusion?

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