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  • No, this can devastate and humiliate a teen

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  • It's only fair if the teen failed other classes

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Thread: High school exit exams

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    On of the many reasons merit pay based on test scores is a bad idea.
    "Merit" should be based on other measures (professional development, service, and other meritorious contributions) as well as student "success"; otherwise, you're guaranteeing grade inflation.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm familiar with SLOs and "quality enhancement" measures, and I think they've become an obsession.

    Here is a slanted overview from Public School Review: Pros and Cons of Public School Exit Exams

    I was reading along about unique learning styles and blah-blah-blah, and then I reached the crap about how these standardized tests tend to favor those who are left-brained:

    Despite these learning differences, however, “The standardized exit exams that many states are adopting favor the left-brained students. These students tend to learn by lecture, memorize easier, and don’t become confused with the answer choices. Right-brained students don't do as well on these tests in spite of knowing the topic. They see every answer as a possibility under the right conditions. In spite of knowing the information, they are likely to select an incorrect answer.”
    It could be that the test is flawed, and not the idea of testing potential graduates for the skills they should have acquired while in school.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I graduated 5 years ago(holy **** it's been 5 years already! ) and took these tests. They are SO FREAKING EASY! On every test but the math I finished them all in like 15 minutes, the math took me 30 minutes, and I scored in the top 5 percentile in every subject. So yeah, they aren't that hard.
    This was my son's experience as well. He took it the first time it was offered (either freshman year or sophomore) and passed it in a breeze.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It could be that the test is flawed, and not the idea of testing potential graduates for the skills they should have acquired while in school.
    I'm not sure I follow your point. I didn't offer my opinion on exit exams.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Over the past several years some states have implemented passing exit exams be required for graduation. 26 states have made this a requirement.If a child passes all of their classes, even if they're an A B student, they can't walk or graduate b/c they didn't pass an exit exam. Some of the tests include questions the teachers haven't even covered. Granted you have 4 yrs to pass it, BUT not everyone does well on tests. Do you think this is fair? Do you think it's fair that a child goes to school, passes all his classes, graduates to the next grade each year, yet he/she can't walk all b/c they fail a test?
    My opinion is that these tests/requirements, not just to graduate but to advance with each grade, should be harder. I have noticed since my kids have been in school that Kindergarten is tougher than what I think it used to be but then it lets up. With the technology available our kids should be noticeably ahead of where many of us were when we graduated. Our schools should not be set up so that it is easy to advance, it should be set up so that kids are challenged and it should be a real accomplishment to finish a grade level or graduate high school.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    My opinion is that these tests/requirements, not just to graduate but to advance with each grade, should be harder. I have noticed since my kids have been in school that Kindergarten is tougher than what I think it used to be but then it lets up. With the technology available our kids should be noticeably ahead of where many of us were when we graduated. Our schools should not be set up so that it is easy to advance, it should be set up so that kids are challenged and it should be a real accomplishment to finish a grade level or graduate high school.
    That's actually not a bad idea. I also support kids being able to advance quicker and/or be offered additional areas of study if so warranted.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm not sure I follow your point. I didn't offer my opinion on exit exams.
    The point is that, if the exit exam favors one sort of learner over another, then that shows that the test may be flawed and should be redone.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    When I was in high school (granted, it was a million years ago), we had to be either on an academic path or a technical path. If we didn't plan on college, and have classes that reflected that, we had to go to technical school, and have classes that reflected that. You couldn't just float through high school without some kind of a plan for your future. They forced you to have one.
    Good, because God knows I sure as hell don't want to be paying someone else's welfare when they had a choice.

    The "horrors" educationally speaking, of public schools is still fresh in my mind after leaving middle school last year. The sheer amount of stupidity, not the students, but of the teachers and moreso the administration (my biggest issue isn't with teachers but with the "higher" ups of the school hierarchy), astonished me. ENTIRE curriculums based purely on the memorization of stupid ****ing **** like "what's the population of Africa" or "Where is Antarctica located".

    Well whatever, Thank God for private schools, but like hell am I going to fight for educational reforms because that **** is just plain, damn, stupid. STUPID I tell you.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Good, because God knows I sure as hell don't want to be paying someone elses welfare whe they had a choice.

    The "horrors" educationally speaking, of public schools is still fresh in my mind after leaving middle school last year. The sheer amount of stupidity, not the students, but of the teachers and moreso the administration (my biggest issue isn't with teachers but with the "higher" ups of the school hierarchy), astonished me. ENTIRE curriculums based purely on the memorization of stupid ****ing **** like "what's the population of Africa" or "Where is Antarctica located".

    Well whatever, Thank God for private schools, but like hell am I going to fight for educational reforms because that **** is just plain, damn, stupid. STUPID I tell you.
    I think I agree with what you are trying to say, but, if you don't know where Antarctica is you should still be in Elementary School, not anywhere near graduating high school.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    That's actually not a bad idea. I also support kids being able to advance quicker and/or be offered additional areas of study if so warranted.
    So they can memorize more? You guys are missing the point, the educational system needs to be changed fundamentally, the entire system is stuck in the early 1900's when we were an industrial economy. Now that we are going into what is called an "intellectual" economy our education needs to change as such.

    8th grade (last year for me) was the most idiotic thing I ever experienced. It's these little things like memorizing formulas and not getting formulas on a sheet rather than being given the formulas and understanding where to apply them in math problems and in problems of the "real world". Nah, instead, you just memorize the formulas for the sake of memorizing and come test time you have to find (in verbatim) "The circumference of a tin can found in the trash".

    "The circumference of a tin can found in the trash"

    I don't even have to explain at this point as to why our education system is a terrible piece of **** you guys should get the point by now.
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