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  • No, this can devastate and humiliate a teen

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  • It's only fair if the teen failed other classes

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  • The teen should still be able to walk just not get a diploma

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    Re: High school exit exams

    I voted only if they failed in other classes. Not everyone can take tests. My middle daughter isn't good at testing. She freezes up. She can answer almost every question with 100% accuracy if asked by the teacher, but when it comes to tests, she just freezes up.

    Exit exams, in my opinion, should only be given if the student failed everything else. Otherwise it's just an unnecessary expense, and something else to make the kids worry about. They have already got enough to worry about.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Sadly, it's not that simple for high school education. My sociology teacher's pay reflects the standardized test scores of his students. The thing is that his classes are only available for juniors and seniors and a large majority of students take their standardized tests as 8th graders, freshmen, and sophomores. His pay is influenced by something he has no control over.
    On of the many reasons merit pay based on test scores is a bad idea.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I voted only if they failed in other classes. Not everyone can take tests. My middle daughter isn't good at testing. She freezes up. She can answer almost every question with 100% accuracy if asked by the teacher, but when it comes to tests, she just freezes up.

    Exit exams, in my opinion, should only be given if the student failed everything else. Otherwise it's just an unnecessary expense, and something else to make the kids worry about. They have already got enough to worry about.
    Isn't this like how the GED works now? Except the student pays the expense and the GED isn't accepted in the same was as a diploma.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Isn't this like how the GED works now? Except the student pays the expense and the GED isn't accepted in the same was as a diploma.
    Meh, I don't get all the hate for GEDs. I've heard people on both sides of the coin. Some say that a GED says that the student didn't work hard enough, or couldn't finish anything, so they aren't a good risk. Then I've heard that GEDs are looked at better than a diploma, because a GED test is really hard, and forces you to know certain information, whereas a high school diploma does not, as students are often passed without having full knowledge of the material.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I suspect it's designed to combat teachers giving students a passing grade for something they didn't actually pass (not sure how much that actually happens), and probably to combat students who cheated on class tests.

    Or something.

    That said, Ithink many/most tests only really measure memorization skills, not actual skill/knowledge of the subject.

    Of course with memorized information, skill and knowledge can be learned through application of same, I suppose.
    And the tests that are biggest on memorization and nothing else are the midterms and finals. No learning involved, just writing over what you already learned a while ago, or trying to at least...
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Schools need to focus on granting opportunities to give students experience. That is what schools lack, experience granting opportunities. Right now the "issue" they completely focus on is having kids memorize **** and nothing else. They're missing the point entirely here, and its seen because the second a kid graduates from High school and doesn't go to college THE WANKER HAS NO DAMN SKILLS TO DO **** BUT BE IN MCDONALDS. We need a total overhaul of the PES. Apprenticeship is one way of tackling the issue, a way to get kids ready for a specific type of work in case they wish to not go to college.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Schools need to focus on granting opportunities to give students experience. That is what schools lack, experience granting opportunities. Right now the "issue" they completely focus on is having kids memorize **** and nothing else. They're missing the point entirely here, and its seen because the second a kid graduates from High school and doesn't go to college THE WANKER HAS NO DAMN SKILLS TO DO **** BUT BE IN MCDONALDS. We need a total overhaul of the PES. Apprenticeship is one way of tackling the issue, a way to get kids ready for a specific type of work in case they wish to not go to college.
    When I was in high school (granted, it was a million years ago), we had to be either on an academic path or a technical path. If we didn't plan on college, and have classes that reflected that, we had to go to technical school, and have classes that reflected that. You couldn't just float through high school without some kind of a plan for your future. They forced you to have one.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    i think both.. they should be required to take the test, but not have it affect their graduating.
    itll potentially give them a snapshot of what theyve retained and perhaps what theyll encounter going forward.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The use of measurement and assessment with standardized tests is intended to counter tendencies towards "social promotions" and "entitlement." A certain amount of standard testing is appropriate to insure that students have learned the essentials. Too much testing can result in teaching to the test only, without broader learning objectives being accomplished.
    I'm familiar with SLOs and "quality enhancement" measures, and I think they've become an obsession.

    Here is a slanted overview from Public School Review: Pros and Cons of Public School Exit Exams

    I was reading along about unique learning styles and blah-blah-blah, and then I reached the crap about how these standardized tests tend to favor those who are left-brained:

    Despite these learning differences, however, “The standardized exit exams that many states are adopting favor the left-brained students. These students tend to learn by lecture, memorize easier, and don’t become confused with the answer choices. Right-brained students don't do as well on these tests in spite of knowing the topic. They see every answer as a possibility under the right conditions. In spite of knowing the information, they are likely to select an incorrect answer.”

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Over the past several years some states have implemented passing exit exams be required for graduation. 26 states have made this a requirement.If a child passes all of their classes, even if they're an A B student, they can't walk or graduate b/c they didn't pass an exit exam. Some of the tests include questions the teachers haven't even covered. Granted you have 4 yrs to pass it, BUT not everyone does well on tests. Do you think this is fair? Do you think it's fair that a child goes to school, passes all his classes, graduates to the next grade each year, yet he/she can't walk all b/c they fail a test?
    No it's not fair but government never can be fair or even about fair.

    In the last century public schools were primarily run by the community and states. For some reason it was actually a notable achievement to graduate high school. It was presumed that graduating meant you had at least a decent basic education. Now that presumption is long gone and of course the education system is run more and more by the federal government. I have heard business owners and managers state that they are more interested in hiring applicants who have a GED than a high school diploma. The reason seems to be that they get too many kids at wal mart or mcdonalds who apply with a high school diploma but cannot even spell the month correctly when they fill in the date on the application. The point is you still have to learn some stuff to get a GED but many kids are simply being passed through the education system to get them out of the building.

    A teacher I dated told me that Bush's no child left behind made it worse by encouraging teachers to just give every kid a passing grade regardless of what they learned.

    Maybe these tests are an effort to stop this sort of thing I don't really know but it is obvious something has gone wrong with education. Every president tries no methods and more funding for the federal Department of Education to fix the problem. Actually the methods seem to be the same old thing with a new name.

    Even the department of education itself shows that achievement scores among high school grads has dropped since 1980 which is the year that the dept of ed was created. Yet funding ( which means tax dollars ) for education has increased with every president as has employment and infrastructure. Strange considering that the number of students is also decreasing.

    I think that it is clear that the federal involvement in education is a failure and we need to disband and stop the dept of ed. We are simply throwing good money after bad. Maybe some disagree but I believe most parents care deeply about their kids furture and the importance of education for that future. Given the incentive to do so they will be heavily involved in watching and overseeing their local schools. They lost that incentive when the government came in and declared itself the uber parent which will educated all kids and parents need not involve themselves nor should they.

    The result of government trying to educate everyone is testing to make sure kids who have passed their classes actually learned something.

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