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  • No, this can devastate and humiliate a teen

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  • It's only fair if the teen failed other classes

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Part of the problem stems from the "everyone wins" attitudes. There have lawsuits over holding students back. Some Child psycho-babilist claim that labeling children as "failures" or making them repeat grades/classes in school cause "psychological damage". Than add on all the "sports stars" that used to get passed through the system but couldn't read or write. Some of this is BS from the Federal Government, some the result of Court decisions.

    I won't even go into the whole "equal" education fiasco.

    Some states adopted the "exit exam" as a means of identifying those who actually got some education vs stayed in school for 12 years. Some states have also changed it since first being implemented because teachers started teaching how to pass the test, not the subjects.

    All in All, it is just one more indicator in the mounds of data about how really screwed up or education systems have become.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It happens a hell of a lot more than most people realize or would admit. Most school districts can not hold a kid back, even if they get across the board F's, if the parents do not initiate it. Considering the lack of parenting and parental involvement, that leads to LOADS of kids that should never graduate…
    Here, in high school, it's not about being held back. It's a matter of credits. If you don't pass you don't get a credit. If you don't have enough credits you don't move up. You have to have a certain number of credits to be a sophomore, etc., and you have to have a certain number to graduate.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    My son graduates next week, one of his friends isn't b/c he failed the test and is devastated. I feel bad for him, he's a good kid. I know if they had this requirement when I was in HS I wouldn't have graduated b/c I would have failed the math portion. You have to pass all three, math, science ,and English. I was terrible at math and only made it to pre algebra. If it wasn't division, multiplication, adding and subtracting, it was Greek to me. I just think it's stupid, especially in states where the school systems are the lowest ranking!
    My oldest daughter aced the test the first time she took it, she doesn't have to worry about it. My youngest daughter is going to take it next year and will ace it too. I think that school systems that are ranking low need to take this as a wake up call, they have to perform better than they have to get their students to learn the assigned lesson plan. That's all these tests do, measure how well the students are retaining information that they are taught. That's their job. I don't care if they sit in high school for decades until they can get that through their heads.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Damn.

    And all this time I thought you were older than I am, for some reason....

    Seeing as I "graduated" over 10 years ago.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Damn.

    And all this time I thought you were older than I am, for some reason....

    Seeing as I "graduated" over 10 years ago.
    You're both a couple of kids.
    I graduated HS the same year Kennedy was elected.
    Back when the anti public school self described conservatives like to say a high school diploma really meant something, unlike today, when kids are coddled etc., etc.,

    We didn't have to pass any exit exam, or algebra, or anything else, and I'm at least 75% certain that the kid who sat behind me in general science, back before I wised up and started taking "college prep" classes, was illiterate. I'd bet he wasn't the only one.

    Our drop out rate was around 40%, too.

    So, schools have improved, and one of the improvements has been requiring graduates to prove competence in reading and math. Exit exams are a good idea.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You're both a couple of kids.
    I graduated HS the same year Kennedy was elected.
    Back when the anti public school self described conservatives like to say a high school diploma really meant something, unlike today, when kids are coddled etc., etc.,

    We didn't have to pass any exit exam, or algebra, or anything else, and I'm at least 75% certain that the kid who sat behind me in general science, back before I wised up and started taking "college prep" classes, was illiterate. I'd bet he wasn't the only one.

    Our drop out rate was around 40%, too.

    So, schools have improved, and one of the improvements has been requiring graduates to prove competence in reading and math. Exit exams are a good idea.
    Had a thought.

    Perhaps if an individual so desired, they could "partially graduate", only in the subjects they passed on the exit exam, and take GED-style tests later if they wanted a complete high school diploma (or equivalent, in this case).

    But that would only be an option if they showed SOME level of skill in the non-pass areas. Say...a D instead of a C (assuming a C is "pass"). If they got an F though...back to class...

    The only downside to this that I see is the test part itself - some people have serious issues with tests, even if they know the subject being tested.
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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Damn.

    And all this time I thought you were older than I am, for some reason....

    Seeing as I "graduated" over 10 years ago.
    Ditto! I always kinda "looked up" to Your Star, and I'm class of 2002.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Ditto! I always kinda "looked up" to Your Star, and I'm class of 2002.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    I graduated in 98, the tests were a joke. I think they should keep them in the schools. I also took the ASVAB and it wasn't too hard, though I did check a book out of the library to "study" for it. I recommend doing that BTW just so you can get the highest score possible. I took never took the SAT/ACT. I have a BS and MS. You earn what you learned.

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    Re: High school exit exams

    If I HS student gets good grades but can't pass the graduation exam the school cheated thoset student by not teaching the appropriate material.

    I would like to see the K-12 school system merged with the community colleges and public trade schools so that there is less stigma and there are more opportunities for people who screwed up in high school and want to catch up and move forward with their education.

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