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    Are you Peter or Paul?

    If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's support. In the case of politics, you can always count on Paul's vote.


    I believe Spock was correct when he laid dying in the Wrath of Kahn and uttered: "The needs of the many, outweigh...the needs of the few, or in this case the one."

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    However, my interpretation is far different from those that believe Spock to mean we can take from the few to reward OUR "many". Who is this group that consider themselves the "many"?

    We consistently burden the many for the benefits of the few, a union, old people, poor people, gay people, minority people, this people or that people. Everyone has their hand out and perhaps for a justifiable reason, but is one's hand worth more than the others? Who is to say one should benefit at the expense of the many? The many should mean ALL of us - not just a selected group that feels THEY need something.

    The problem is to some extent politicians suffer from "constituency syndrome", ok I made up that word - but I think you get the point. In order to garner the votes, they need to give the particular constituency a favor (needs of the few votes out weight the needs of the many).

    Our government continues to rob from Peter to give to Paul, just to garner a little more of Paul's support - or in this case vote. Frankly, I believe these politicians could careless WHAT or WHY they are robbing Peter and myopically focused on Paul's vote.

    When I hear people championing all kinds of causes, many of them at the expense of others, I can't help but think of them as Paul. Certainly many of their causes can be justified, at least in their minds. These Paul's usually take the moral high ground, while logic, reason, economics, and math are disregarded. Those that bring logic, math, and reason to the table as quickly labeled a cold-hearten Peter. Morality justifications trumps reasoning and often times taken to the extreme as Paul utter's, "If stealing from Peter means saving a life, we should steal all we can!"

    As economic depression sets in, regardless of the cause, we see some Peter's actually become Pauls. Pauls become dependent, reliant, and even demand that the State be their caretaker, regardless of Peter's expense. Eventually Paul no longer needs justification, he is ENTITLED. For the government to continue to feed Paul's appetite, it must engorge the Nanny State's Teats with more stolen milk from Peter. To do so we must begin to villainize Peter to justify the continual robbing; "Peter is materialistic, Peter doesn't care about you, Peter values money over people, Peter is greedy, Peter is evil, etc... "

    We all know how this ends. Yet we continue to play the charade and every day more Paul's rise up as more Peter's are beaten down - all based on ideological blindness that is justified on some moral high ground.

    Are you Peter or are you Paul? I don't expect everyone to answer honestly.
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Considering I've worked since age-16, have never once received anything from the state except a tax refund, I'm definitely Peter being robbed to pay Paul. But...I'd rather have a few points pulled out of my paycheck than see a bunch of Pauls starving on the street. I've been to places with no social safety net. It's ugly what happens there.

    Here, if you see people on the street. They are quite often the fallen who are there because they are addicted to something. If you see people on the street in the wretched places on the planet, it's because they never had anything.

    It still sucks to have things taken from us and given to others without being asked, or having input on what happens to the fruits of our labor.

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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Hah! I thought this was going to be a religious discussion!
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    peter had robbed someone to get rich too...modern lords ............
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    peter had robbed someone to get rich too...modern lords ............
    Modern lords?
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Considering I've worked since age-16, have never once received anything from the state except a tax refund, I'm definitely Peter being robbed to pay Paul. But...I'd rather have a few points pulled out of my paycheck than see a bunch of Pauls starving on the street. I've been to places with no social safety net. It's ugly what happens there.

    Here, if you see people on the street. They are quite often the fallen who are there because they are addicted to something. If you see people on the street in the wretched places on the planet, it's because they never had anything.

    It still sucks to have things taken from us and given to others without being asked, or having input on what happens to the fruits of our labor.
    Agreed...

    But what about retired school teachers, or veterans, what about minorities, what about the old people, or the hard working union member, we can't forget about the orphans, what about the those born with handicaps, then of course there are the whales and the trees.

    I am not trying to dismiss the importants or value of any ONE of these groups, but what makes any one of these groups more deserving than the other.
    Politicians suffer from "constituency syndrome" in which they serve one or a few of these groups as the expense of the many. Perhaps you should DONATE your time and money to whom YOU want to help, because there are SO many that need to suckle at the gorging teats of the nanny state, that Peter will have no more milk to rob!

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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Contrary to what self-righteous people like to think, we're all somewhere in between. No one is getting robbed, and no one is lazily living off of the work of others. Instead, we're all trying to collaborate to survive together and live decent lives. There's no nanny state. No one is refusing to contribute and being a parasite on anyone else. There is no Peter, and there is no Paul.
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Hah! I thought this was going to be a religious discussion!
    That's okay.
    I thought it was about a 60's folk-singing group.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    That's okay.
    I thought it was about a 60's folk-singing group.
    I was thinking that we were going to discuss whether we considered ourselves crazy, or strong-willed and hard-headed. I was going to have a tough time deciding on that one.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I was thinking that we were going to discuss whether we considered ourselves crazy, or strong-willed and hard-headed. I was going to have a tough time deciding on that one.
    Easy call for me.
    All three....in varying degrees.
    I only go crazy when people call me strong-willed and hard-headed.
    Last edited by radioman; 05-15-14 at 08:18 PM. Reason: rhetorical flourish
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