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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nonsense. Charities are typically income machines or outright scams. I'd rather pay taxes. I love my country, not some falsely advertised cause.

    But, hey, feel free to waste your money. Free country and all that.
    You love your country? What a ridiculous statement and wholly irrelevant to what we're discussing. Why can't you think for yourself, and figure out how to help people on your own, instead of having to have the govt pry open that rusty wallet of yours and jerk the money out?
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    In order to answer the OP question we need more information. What are you considering in the entire calculation? If one is a tax payer an the other a tax consumer - how does one begin to calculate this determination? Does your status change over time? From one day to the next? One week to the next? One month to the next? One year to the next? During various phases and aspects of ones life cycle?
    Do we need to separate local taxes and benefits from state taxes and benefits and from federal taxes and benefits or do we consider all together merely as taxes and benefits?

    In short - how does one accurately and definitively determine if they are Peter or Paul? Without an accurate determination of that fact - a poll is rather meaningless as is the very question and discussion itself.
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You love your country? What a ridiculous statement and wholly irrelevant to what we're discussing. Why can't you think for yourself, and figure out how to help people on your own, instead of having to have the govt pry open that rusty wallet of yours and jerk the money out?
    Charities are a scam. I prefer to give the money to Uncle Sam.

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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Charities are a scam. I prefer to give the money to Uncle Sam.
    That's totally unsubstantiated, and Uncle Sam also has scammers.
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's totally unsubstantiated, and Uncle Sam also has scammers.
    Seeing that the last thing I want my government to do is to be a charity, I am with you. Charity is not a public good, is therefore more efficiently produced by private groups and not one that government sponsorship improves. So why should we allow the government to spend hard earned money on it?

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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    ...We began a Recession 6 years ago that would've rivaled the Great Depression, if not for the gov't bailing out the very, greedy bankers/corporations that created the problem. ....
    This sentence puts your article in doubt. While it is true that the government prevented the second wave of the Greenspan/Clinton liquidity bubble from ripping the economy into depression by supporting the banks and various other institutions, it is rather disingenuous to say that it was "greedy bankers/corporations that created the problem". Too much money was pumped into the economy during the 1990s. That created misallocations of horrendous proportion and huge bubbles. Other regulations and government activities like fixed currencies (China/inside Euroland) around the world strengthen the problems locally. The result was the double bubble and depression in large parts of Europe that we have seen. It is also far from certain that the forces of destruction from the government actions have been weathered and are finished. To me there seems substantial reason to believe that this will challenge us again. And if it does, misunderstanding the reasons will not help.

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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's total bull****, and little of your tax charity makes it to the needy due to the high govt overhead. That is NOT what taxes are for. That's for the lazy, and those who don't care enough to pull their wallets out and brush the cob webs off.
    taxes used to feed the rich in middle ages.it is their turn l think

    and as fas as l know US economy is based on free market ,not tax free
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    taxes used to feed the rich in middle ages.

    and as fas as l know US economy is based on free market ,not tax free
    Is that Turkish or gibberish, I can't tell?
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is that Turkish or gibberish, I can't tell?
    it is something that a conservative will not want to know
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    Re: Are you Peter or Paul?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    1.That's totally unsubstantiated, and 2.Uncle Sam also has scammers.
    1. Google is your friend. You should try it sometime.

    Many Of The Largest Charities In America Are Giant Money Making Scams | InvestmentWatch
    How would you feel if you donated money to help disaster victims or cancer patients and you later found out that more than 97 percent of the money that you gave never got into the hands of the people that needed it? Sadly, that is happening all over America today. In fact, in some of the worst cases, less than a penny of every dollar that is donated ends up in the hands of those that need the help. If you can believe it, right now there are 6,000 charities in the United States that use for-profit companies to raise money for them, and in many of those instances the for-profit companies end up keeping more than 50 percent of the donations for themselves. In addition, many charities end up paying their employees “salaries” that are far greater than the total amount of money that the charities actually give to the needy.
    Read more at Many Of The Largest Charities In America Are Giant Money Making Scams | InvestmentWatch
    2. But, it's my uncle. If you don't like the American way, feel free to leave.

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