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Sterling vs Vick

Who is worse?

  • Stirling (racist comments)

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Vick (dog abuser/fighter/killer/torturer)

    Votes: 29 80.6%

  • Don't know/undecided

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Total voters
    36
Tucker Case said:
Sterling. Racism is far more damaging to society than dog fighting. It's not even close.

One of the major problems we have in this country right now is that there are too many idiots who care more about animals than people.

(Before some braindead moron tries to pretend that I'm saying it's OK to kill dogs and that Vick didn't deserve any punishment, I'm not. I'm saying racism is a lot ****ing worse than killing dogs. If you disagree, then feel free to explain exactly why you think racism is better than dog killing).

I often find it hilarious that some people will rail on and on about Vick's actions while they eat meat every night. Now that is some retarded ass hypocricy right there.

What Vick did is the moral equivalent of having a beef farm. He killed animals, often very cruelly, for profit. How is that different than what happened to a Big Mac?
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Racism, in the case of Sterling, represents mere words from a silly old man.

Dog fighting is disgusting torture of helpless animals for fun and profit.
 
Mosby said:
Mike Vick is a sick individual whos abuse of dogs is truly despicable. But Donald Tocowitz "Sterling" is worse, and here is why:

In my opinion, with all of the atrocities committed against the jewish people over the ages, and all of the handwringing and whining over the same by jews, I believe that any jew who demonstrates this same hateful racism, especially against an even more persecuted group such as American blacks, deserves a special scorn and loathing, precisely because he is guilty of the same racist vileness that jews are mortified by when inflicted upon themselves. Donald Tocowitz is a disgusting racist hypocrite and deserves all of the heaping scorn and ridicule that a racist jew merits.
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This is a crazy statement.

In what universe are black more persecuted than Jews have been?
 
Tucker Case said:
Sterling. Racism is far more damaging to society than dog fighting. It's not even close.

One of the major problems we have in this country right now is that there are too many idiots who care more about animals than people.

(Before some braindead moron tries to pretend that I'm saying it's OK to kill dogs and that Vick didn't deserve any punishment, I'm not. I'm saying racism is a lot ****ing worse than killing dogs. If you disagree, then feel free to explain exactly why you think racism is better than dog killing).

I often find it hilarious that some people will rail on and on about Vick's actions while they eat meat every night. Now that is some retarded ass hypocricy right there.

What Vick did is the moral equivalent of having a beef farm. He killed animals, often very cruelly, for profit. How is that different than what happened to a Big Mac?
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Yes Sterling was so racist against blacks that he invited underprivileged black kids to his games free of charge.

He is a horrible man.
 
Philly Boss said:
And there's nothing Vick can do to make racists forgive him, but he didn't need the promise of their forgiveness to know that apologizing for his wrongs and changing his outlook on life was the right thing to do.
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If you dislike Vick because he tortured and killed dogs, you are a racist?

I am having an Obama flashback.
 
Tucker Case said:
Ah, so if dog fighting was legal, you'd have no problem with Vick? Your moral beliefs are based entirely on legality, and nothing else?

If not, then why the **** would you even pretend this is a rebuttal?



Society is damaged when an old man in power is a racist. Can you be any more oblivious?



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You do realize that calling me dramatic and then following that accusation with what amounts to the above is what those of us with fancy book-learnin' call "ironic", right?

Especially when you consider the fact that kids were not involved at all (in other words, bringing kids into it is simply retarded), Vick did NOT receive a hero's welcome (thus claiming he did is retarded), thus you simply made up a bunch of retarded melodramatic nonsense because, presumably, an intelligent rebuttal was something far beyond your capablities.

Good stuff, right there. +1000 for not even trying.
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Words do not damage anything and he has shown with his actions that he is not racist.

Please provide an example of words doing damage.
 
USViking said:
Some crime is so serious that it merits a permanent reduction in job opportunity and earning power. The crime Vick committed fits that bill.

Physical injury generally causes psychological injury as well, especially if maiming and killing are involved. That makes it worse than psychological injury alone. Therefore Vick's crime was worse that what Sterling did, which, bad as it was, inflicted only psychological damage, and was not even legally criminal.

Is there any business besides professional sport where Vick would not have been banned for life? No company I ever worked for (mostly insurance and manufacturing) would have kept my a day past the day I was arrested. Can anyone think of an exception other than pro sport? The legal profession is notorious for readmitting disbarred members, but would even lawyers be so lenient with someone convicted of dogfighting?

Sterling deserves a lifetime ban from all professional association with sport franchises. Vick's worse behavior merits the permanent reduction in job opportunity and earning potential that an identical ban would produce, and it is deplorable that he got off with anything less.
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Who suffered psychological damage from what Sterling said?
 
Philly Boss said:
Look into Sterling's history. Decades of discrimination, abusing minority tenants, and now this is just what has brought massive attention to what type of scumbag he is.

Funny, you say Sterling hasn't hurt any people (though if you looked a little closer, he has) but what evidence do you have of Vick hurting people?
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Excuse me but that case was adjudicated and he paid a fine.

he is a changed man now and he lives his life cleanly.

Isn't that what you said about Vick?

Why would you hold an old, settled case against Sterling, but not Vick?
 
Mason66 said:
Excuse me but that case was adjudicated and he paid a fine.

he is a changed man now and he lives his life cleanly.

Isn't that what you said about Vick?

Why would you hold an old, settled case against Sterling, but not Vick?
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Context is key. I only brought that up to counter the "well sterling never actually hurt anyone" claims.
 
Mason66 said:
Who suffered psychological damage from what Sterling said?
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Oh, start with every African-American member of his team, then add every other African-American member of the league, then add every other African-American in the country, then add every non-African-American who supports racial equality, justice, cooperation and friendship.
 
USViking said:
Oh, start with every African-American member of his team, then add every other African-American member of the league, then add every other African-American in the country, then add every non-African-American who supports racial equality, justice, cooperation and friendship.
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I support equality, justice, cooperation and friendship. Do you honest to God believe I am going to be 'hurt' by some partly coherent ramblings of an 80 year old man vented towards his 30 year old girlfriend said because he was upset she was bringing black men to his arena? Are YOU honest to God 'hurt' by that?

If so...how sad. For you I mean.

That is a far greater problem than an individuals racist rant.
 
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This one isn't even close. It shows the contempt people have for the rich old white man.
 
rocket88 said:
This poll is like picking between being waterboarded and listening to Nickelback.
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C'mon dude, that's a little over the top.

I mean have you listened to nickelback?
 
VanceMack said:
I support equality, justice, cooperation and friendship. Do you honest to God believe I am going to be 'hurt' by some partly coherent ramblings of an 80 year old man vented towards his 30 year old girlfriend said because he was upset she was bringing black men to his arena? Are YOU honest to God 'hurt' by that?

If so...how sad. For you I mean.

That is a far greater problem than an individuals racist rant.
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An individual racist's rant is a far greater problem than the psychological pain felt by the targets of his rant???? Especially when his own employees are among the targets???

Sorry, pal, but your powers of critical thinking have deserted you. Strike that- you might well never have possessed any powers of critical thinking to begin with.

This sh**'s been going for 100s of years now and it is about time for it to start dying completely out, especially among the rich and powerful, on account of their disproportionate power and influence over the lives of others.
 
USViking said:
An individual racist's rant is a far greater problem than the psychological pain felt by the targets of his rant???? Especially when his own employees are among the targets???

Sorry, pal, but your powers of critical thinking have deserted you. Strike that- you might well never have possessed any powers of critical thinking to begin with.

This sh**'s been going for 100s of years now and it is about time for it to start dying completely out, especially among the rich and powerful, on account of their disproportionate power and influence over the lives of others.
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This '****' will go on forever because people are people. Every race has their racists. You want to spend your life with your feelings hurt and obsessing over some 80 year old guy ranting to his 30 year old Latina girlfriend about not bringing black guys with her to his games...go right the **** ahead. Your mentality is precisely the kind of race baiting bull**** that has kept people STUCK in racism and hatred and always will.

Sterlings words speak for him. Yours...well..the same.
 
When "don't bring black people to my games" results in this, you have to cringe at what real and actual racism would do to someone with means. I'm just waiting for Bill Gates to drop an N-bomb rant and have every black person in America chanting, "reparations!".
 
USViking said:
Oh, start with every African-American member of his team, then add every other African-American member of the league, then add every other African-American in the country, then add every non-African-American who supports racial equality, justice, cooperation and friendship.
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That is crazy.

If people are so sensitive to be damaged psychologically because the man told a woman he wanted to sleep with that he didn't need to see pic of her with black guys, then I don't know what to say about those people.

Do you know what real psychological damage is?
 
Scrabaholic said:
Stirling makes racist comments in a private conversation and is banned for life from the NBA.

Vick fights, abuses, tortures, kills dogs and is welcomed back into the NFL.

Who is worse?
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Its the Felons league why i do not watch it anymore.
 
VanceMack said:
This '****' will go on forever because people are people.
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The reason it will go on forever because some people, not most, not nearly all, but some, such as Stirling, are moral and emotional pimps. Act like a pimp, get treated like a pimp.


VanceMack said:
Every race has their racists.
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Every race has their pimps too, the actual procuring kind. Does that mean you should just let pimps hang out in your neighborhood?


VanceMack said:
You want to spend your life with your feelings hurt and obsessing over some 80 year old guy ranting to his 30 year old Latina girlfriend about not bringing black guys with her to his games...go right the **** ahead.
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Yeah, I do get hurt and obsessed when there are racist pimps around. I will never get overthe damage they do to my society, to my country. It is awful.


VanceMack said:
Your mentality is precisely the kind of race baiting bull**** that has kept people STUCK in racism and hatred and always will.
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This sentence might be classed as an example of blame the victim racist pimpery.


VanceMack said:
Sterlings words speak for him. Yours...well..the same.
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Yeah- his words speak for him and what he is, which is a racist pimp. You...well...I guess I'll leave you personally out of it.
 
USViking said:
The reason it will go on forever because some people, not most, not nearly all, but some, such as Stirling, are moral and emotional pimps. Act like a pimp, get treated like a pimp.



Every race has their pimps too, the actual procuring kind. Does that mean you should just let pimps hang out in your neighborhood?



Yeah, I do get hurt and obsessed when there are racist pimps around. I will never get overthe damage they do to my society, to my country. It is awful.



This sentence might be classed as an example of blame the victim racist pimpery.



Yeah- his words speak for him and what he is, which is a racist pimp. You...well...I guess I'll leave you personally out of it.
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Feel free to include me. mark me under that category of "dont really give a **** what an 80 year old guy said to his 30 year old squeeze in anger."

You are 'hurt' by all of this.

:lamo
 
Mason66 said:
That is crazy.

If people are so sensitive to be damaged psychologically because the man told a woman he wanted to sleep with that he didn't need to see pic of her with black guys, then I don't know what to say about those people.
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This is crazy.

If people are so insensitive to the damage done by the combined effects of 400 years of chattel slavery, second class citizenship and racial bigotry then I DO know EXACTLY what to say about those people, which is that they are intellectually and emotionally crippled.


Mason66 said:
Do you know what real psychological damage is?
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Yes.
 
VanceMack said:
Feel free to include me.
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Feel free to include you in the category of racist pimps? If you say so.


VanceMack said:
mark me under that category of "dont really give a **** what an 80 year old guy said to his 30 year old squeeze in anger."
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Sure, you can be in that category too. Goes right along with the other one.


VanceMack said:
You are 'hurt' by all of this.
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Yes, I am hurt by it, but not nearly as much as the innocent African-Americans who have been the intended victims of so much, for so long.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Stirling makes racist comments in a private conversation and is banned for life from the NBA.

Vick fights, abuses, tortures, kills dogs and is welcomed back into the NFL.

Who is worse?
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The circumstances of both are entirely different and not open to comparison, in my view. The exception being that both men made mistakes in their lives, apologized for their mistakes, yet one man has been allowed to renew/continue in his chosen livelihood and the other is being banned from doing so.

In my view, the question should not be which sinner is worse, but which league response is worse. In my view, that would be the NBA.
 
Another proofreading issue, dammit:


USViking said:
An individual racist's rant is a far greater problem than the psychological pain felt by the targets of his rant???? Especially when his own employees are among the targets???
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The first sentence above should be:

"Objection to an individual racist's rant is a far greater problem than the psychological pain felt by the targets of his rant???? Especially when his own employees are among the targets???"
 
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