Well you are the worker. You own that means of production.
Down below you mention workers being truly free. That is my point whether is work form my home or not I just want to be free to live in my own home.
Because of the profit value. Why should a "owner" be the man who gets the profit. Why should he get the profit and live off the exploitation of labor? To be truly free the workers who make toil for a living should control that workplace instead of sending off a part of their labor to a "owner".
You avoided my question. But I will answer yours.
A worker when they get a job to work for someone else they made a agreement. The agreement is that they will do some work for the employer for a agreed on compensation amount. It is up to the worker to refuse to work for someone that isnt paying what they demand for their work. Many jobs create ZERO product. They are a service. Now in America we can get our buddies together if we choose and provide a service, for example land scapeing. That works out good for you and your buddies. But guess what you have to give some of the earnings for the work that you did to your buddies. You all are going to share expenses gas and what not. But if you and your buddies cannot get any jobs lined up you wont make any profits. So one of you or perhaps all of you work together to get more work to do. That is additional labor on the individual or the group. But it may take away valuable time from the actual land scapeing that you guys do. A solution is to hire someone to do the book keeping and marketing for you especially if you have no clue how to do that.
We cant all be book keepers or any of the other long list of job descriptions that are available in the work force. Some people like to migrate around a country. They have a set of skills that they are willing to market for work. There is ZERO wrong with willing working for someone else and being paid what you two agreed on.
So I fail to see that in all cases that exploitation is a concern, or that being a worker is immoral. Changing it form a single employer to a co-op is only moving the goal posts the same potential problems are persistent in both case. Both require some form of regulation for it to work. After all a co-op could be a co-op of assholes.
Never said I was the "moral police". Its an economic polciy, not a morality issue.
You can deny being the moral police but when you assert that it is morally wrong to own private property because it is a form of exploitation then you are passing a moral judgement. And whats more the assumption that Socialist make is that owning private property is unfair to other citizens and that the owner should be penalized for such transgressions. How dare someone think that they can own private property and **** on everyone else? It is a moral issue for Socialists.
Not dictating anything. Simply sharing my beliefs.
No not now are you dictating anything, that is very obvious. But given the chance what then? Say that your beliefs became our reality, where you cant hide behind it being just a belief of your?
Plenty people do, though they rationalize it away saying to themselves that its for the good of society. That is how prohibitions become laws. Or how theocracies get started. Socialists, tea party Libertarians rationalize that their beliefs are righteous and that everyone should be compelled to jump on the bandwagon. The nay sayers will see and will agree given the chance to live in such a society.
The beauty of diversity is that we come together and teach each other the best of our beliefs. The beliefs that harm or otherwise make others uncomfortable are swept to the side. Isnt that what drives Democratic Socialism? Why not be open to other good things from other people? We all have ideas, some good and some bad. A community serves the purpose of weeding out the bad ideas. This board that we are speaking on serves this purpose for myself. I am exposed to many ideas and I share my own ideas that I learn through conversation sometimes, that some are bad ideas. I learn and move on. But whatever'ists seem to never learn and just keep moving on with the bad ideas, never learning a thing. My ideology is no ideology.