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Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 41.1%

  • No

    Votes: 43 58.9%
  • Total voters
    73
MildSteel said:
You keep repeating this mantra about losers and Marx. I'm really not interested in some weak minded propaganda. If you have something specific that you want to discuss about something that Marx has said, please do so. Otherwise, you can play games with someone else.
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Marx knew he was making his pitch to people like you. So do we.

I do not care to discuss Marxism with yet another Marxist. It does not really matter. He was a failure in his life. And most Marxists are failures in theirs.
 
Misterveritis said:
No. That is crony capitalism which is not capitalism.

I am a bit tired of Marxists. You guys are so tedious.
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Cronyism is inevitable in a capitalist system that lacks proper restraint.
 
Misterveritis said:
Marx knew he was making his pitch to people like you. So do we.

I do not care to discuss Marxism with yet another Marxist. It does not really matter. He was a failure in his life. And most Marxists are failures in theirs.
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Okay. Shut up then.
 
MildSteel said:
Marx's observation that the worker under capitalism is a mere commodity was on mark. The object of labor do not exist for the sake of the worker, but the worker exists for the sake of the objects of labor. Thus the worker's labor becomes an alien object which confronts him and over which he has little or no control. Thus, the worker wanders from place to place, like a pitiful puppy looking for a home, seeking employment. Frequently, he must take whatever is offered to him, regardless of whether it is something he likes or not. If he does not like what he is given, he must endure regardless, as there is no sympathy. If he complains, he is labeled a cry baby. And even if he may take some satisfaction in his work, he is confronted constantly with the fear of unemployment, because the capitalist cares little about him as a person, but rather how much surplus value can be extracted from his labor.

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Labor is a commodity, except to marxists. Pray tell what Nirvana does things as the left wants them done?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
What exactly does 2008 prove?
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Capitalism destroys itself and has destroyed the USA.
They have unlimited greed that needs to be controled.

We should have not bailed them out and let them all suffer on the streets of the USA.............
 
274ina said:
Capitalism destroys itself and has destroyed the USA.
They have unlimited greed that needs to be controled.

We should have not bailed them out and let them all suffer on the streets of the USA.............
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Theres that famous liberal compassion, most commonly found in those who have not travelled, or lived much.
 
274ina said:
Capitalism destroys itself and has destroyed the USA.
They have unlimited greed that needs to be controled.

We should have not bailed them out and let them all suffer on the streets of the USA.............
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That wasnt a specific answer. It seemed like you just repeated your claim.

Who are they/them?
 
US Conservative said:
And yet its the false standard leftists strive to achieve, often to great harm of others. 100 million dead under marxists, for example.
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Leftists, just like you, have no idea what nirvana is, let alone setting it as a standard to be achieved. Not only that, but you, and leftists alike, don't care anything about nirvana in the first place.
 
Fenton said:
Cronyism is inevitable in ANY system.
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That's not so. But it is surely so under capitalism, and for that matter, the Marxist-like solutions that have been put forward.
 
MildSteel said:
Leftists, just like you, have no idea what nirvana is, let alone setting it as a standard to be achieved. Not only that, but you, and leftists alike, don't care anything about nirvana in the first place.
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I was referencing it in the utopian manner. Spare me your religious gibberish if thats where you want to go.
 
US Conservative said:
I was referencing it in the utopian manner. Spare me your religious gibberish if thats where you want to go.
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Told you so folks. A mudha can be recognized as soon as he opens his mouth.
 
Fenton said:
Cronyism is inevitable in ANY system.
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Perhaps. Perhaps not. It requires substantial political power before cronyism becomes dangerous to the people's freedoms.

Restrain the government.
 
Was Karl Marx right about pecan pie?
 
Misterveritis said:
K. Marx was a dangerous kook.

Reading Marx is like taking an ink-blot test. One sees much that is not there. People who believe Marx was right, well, they are just as wrong as he was.
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Well, you obviously haven't read Marx, or tried to understand Marx at all.

In other Words you're willfully ignorant on the topic you're commenting on.
 
US Conservative said:
100 million dead under marxists, for example.
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Remember: any unnatural death that occurs under a ‘Communist’ regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Marxism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in non-socialist states
 
Marx had several flaws.

1. He believed that workers were owners of a company. this is simply not true unless workers own stock in that company. that is what work contracts are all about. While workers do own their own labor they rent that labor out to a company. just because you work for a company doesn't mean you own it.
The flaw in this thinking is that if you hire someone to work on your home do they then own a stake in your home? the obvious answer is no.

2. Cryonism happens in any system that people are involved in. it is not simply tied to capitalism and it is only worse the less freedom is in the system.
3. Marxism is good on paper but bad in practice as it ignores human nature to try and create a utopia. It makes a general assumption that everyone will take care of the other person and that people are willing to give up their personal belongs at someone else's whim.

this is not the case. as there is always someone in the group that will always acquire more than someone else.

there will always be a person or a group of people take power over the others. maxism leads way to dictatorship just look at all the countries that tried it. all have dictators.
 
I thought about something today. I was at a mall that has very high end stores that cater to wealthy clients. When I was starting my business I went to the office and talked to someone about leasing some space. That charge so much for rent, that it forms an enormous barrier of entry in the first place. But this is the thing that got me. The really good spots, they won't rent to you, even if you have enough money. You have to be one of the established designer brands before they will lease space to you. I was thinking, back when those people were establishing themselves, black folks were not even allowed in the game.
 
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