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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Being fallacious will get you nowhere fast. And there isnt anything discriminatory or wrong with needing to be on the Chanel level. Your method of achieving that status as a business is to promote your product and work your way up to being able to put a store in a mall like that.
    There is nothing fallacious about what I have said. I am using the term "level" to really describe a group of designers. There are some very good designers who do not have the recognition of Chanel, but who are just as good or better than Chanel. To exclude such designers, simply on the basis that they are not in the group of designers that have such name recognition is to discriminate. I understand why the mall does this. They want to maintain a certain image for that particular area. However when they do that, they are certainly favoring one group over another. There is no doubt about it, and it is indeed class discrimination. Price is usually used to discriminate in business exchanges. If a black person, without money tries to buy a Porsche, a merchant does not sell the Porsche not because of the fact he is black, but because he simply does not have the money. However, if a black person had the money, but the merchant does not sell the car to him because he is black, then certainly he is discriminating based on race. In a similar way, to deny a person space based simply on their lack of name recognition, is certainly class discrimination. A brand builds a good reputation for providing a good product over the years. There is nothing wrong with that, and leveraging the good will thus generated. However, that does not mean that there are not other brands that may be just as good or better, but simply need exposure. To deny exposure, in this case prime space in a mall, SIMPLY because of lack of recognition, is to discriminate based on class. And in the case where the product is just as good or better, does not encourage competition, but rather the opposite. In certain instances, businesses actually use such discrimination to keep potential competition down. That is not fair competition.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There is nothing fallacious about what I have said. I am using the term "level" to really describe a group of designers. There are some very good designers who do not have the recognition of Chanel, but who are just as good or better than Chanel. To exclude such designers, simply on the basis that they are not in the group of designers that have such name recognition is to discriminate. I understand why the mall does this. They want to maintain a certain image for that particular area. However when they do that, they are certainly favoring one group over another. There is no doubt about it, and it is indeed class discrimination. Price is usually used to discriminate in business exchanges. If a black person, without money tries to buy a Porsche, a merchant does not sell the Porsche not because of the fact he is black, but because he simply does not have the money. However, if a black person had the money, but the merchant does not sell the car to him because he is black, then certainly he is discriminating based on race. In a similar way, to deny a person space based simply on their lack of name recognition, is certainly class discrimination. A brand builds a good reputation for providing a good product over the years. There is nothing wrong with that, and leveraging the good will thus generated. However, that does not mean that there are not other brands that may be just as good or better, but simply need exposure. To deny exposure, in this case prime space in a mall, SIMPLY because of lack of recognition, is to discriminate based on class. And in the case where the product is just as good or better, does not encourage competition, but rather the opposite. In certain instances, businesses actually use such discrimination to keep potential competition down. That is not fair competition.
    This is fallacious: "Unfortunately I cannot give reading comprehension lessons. Sorry about that."

    Favoring businesses like Chanel isnt class discrimination its favoring. If you were to work hard and gain name recognition you would have a spot in that mall. Discrimination would be that you have the recognition but they still wont lease you a space.


    The quality of any product sold in a mall by anyone is irrelevant to the needs of the mall and the space it needs to lease. Some brands in malls is simply way over priced crap. Whatever Chantel makes I can find probably dozens in not hundreds of other brands that do it better. And if Chantel looses its grip on reputation out the door they go making room for the next in thing.

    In regular malls shops come and go with the seasons. Some of those shops are failures, poor business decisions or the direct result of customer rejection. Dont blame the malls management for keeping you out of your exclusive mall. It was the customers that kept you out. The caters directly to customer demand (more so than any other retail land management model).

    Personally though I do have product for sell in malls (I have clients that buy work), I dont shop in malls. One would have to be a idiot to shop in a mall.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Favoring businesses like Chanel isnt class discrimination its favoring. If you were to work hard and gain name recognition you would have a spot in that mall. Discrimination would be that you have the recognition but they still wont lease you a space.
    That is not correct, favoring one thing over another is discrimination. There is no doubt about it. The human mind is constantly discriminating between what is desireable and what is not. The problem is whether or not the discrimination is just and/or healthy. Favoring one thing over another, simply because of it's name, has a tendency to erode competition. As a result of that it also has a tendency to stifle the development of better products because a widely recognized name can simply rely on what it has done in the past because it's appeal is based on name. A company that is constantly facing stiff competition must constantly strive to improve it's product and come up with new, exciting ones. Not only that but it also encourages wealth to flow to the few who have established those names, while at the same time denying a portion of that wealth to others who have a good, competitive product, but simply lack the wide recognition. Because such discrimination encourages the development of top heavy distributions of wealth, it is therefore unfair. The current system has a tendency to create abnormal, top heavy wealth distributions. The resulting vast disparities in income create conditions which are not good for the social welfare of society. Therefore such discrimination is both unfair and not good for society.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is not correct, favoring one thing over another is discrimination. There is no doubt about it. The human mind is constantly discriminating between what is desireable and what is not. The problem is whether or not the discrimination is just and/or healthy. Favoring one thing over another, simply because of it's name, has a tendency to erode competition. As a result of that it also has a tendency to stifle the development of better products because a widely recognized name can simply rely on what it has done in the past because it's appeal is based on name. A company that is constantly facing stiff competition must constantly strive to improve it's product and come up with new, exciting ones. Not only that but it also encourages wealth to flow to the few who have established those names, while at the same time denying a portion of that wealth to others who have a good, competitive product, but simply lack the wide recognition. Because such discrimination encourages the development of top heavy distributions of wealth, it is therefore unfair. The current system has a tendency to create abnormal, top heavy wealth distributions. The resulting vast disparities in income create conditions which are not good for the social welfare of society. Therefore such discrimination is both unfair and not good for society.
    I see that no matter what I explain to you, you will dogmatically hammer your point. `Which is nothing more than whining about some people having more than you. The mall thing is just a misunderstanding on your part based on your heavy bias of the situation.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Well Marx was surely right about this

    He, who before was the money-owner, now strides in front as capitalist; the possessor of labour-power follows as his labourer. The one with an air of importance, smirking, intent on business; the other, timid and holding back, like one who is bringing his own hide to market and has nothing to expect but a hiding.
    LMAO @ "a hiding"

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