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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    The Communist Manifesto was a political pamphlet ...

    Kapital vl 1, 2 and 3 are the actual theory of Marxism.
    A Critique of Political Economy is also nothing more than a political pamphlet.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Really? Tell me about Capital vol 3.

    One has to really love Marx to read so much of his nonsense. Or one has to wonder, as I did, what all the fuss is about. The guy was a prolific kook. His drippings fill fifty volumes.

    Be cautious. When you fill your mind with crap it cannot help but come back out...
    Capital vol 3 was where he talked a lot about Finance Capital.

    When you fill your mind with lots of information you can judge it honestly ... maybe you would be able to actaully critique marx properly if you actually read Kapital, or about Kapital from someone who knew it.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Capital vol 3 was where he talked a lot about Finance Capital.

    When you fill your mind with lots of information you can judge it honestly ... maybe you would be able to actaully critique marx properly if you actually read Kapital, or about Kapital from someone who knew it.
    Are you sure that you even read it? I mean the name of it is Capital: A Critique of Political Economy Yet you tried to tell me that it is "the actual theory of Marxism". Marxism isnt just Volumes 2 and 3 of Capital: A Critique of Political Economy And just about every Marxist would agree that the Communist Manifesto is a great deal of it. Also there are other writings that make up the body of Marxism. I find it funny that you are trying to discredit the Communist Manifesto as just a "political pamphlet" just to avoid what is written in it because it proved my point. I guess that is why you didnt respond to my last post huh?

    But then we can look at Capital if thats what you want. And it says the something about the so called natural course of Capitalism, that it leads to a society where money is the only thing that matters if left unchecked. Or are you going to deny that? But if Capital is the theory of Marxism then we can conclude that Marxism is nothing more than a critique of Capitalism. And I tend to agree with that point of view since every Marxist that I have met is obsessed with critiquing Capitalism and nothing much more than that. But that is what Marx wrote about generally.
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    Why fill your head with foolishness?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Capital vol 3 was where he talked a lot about Finance Capital.

    When you fill your mind with lots of information you can judge it honestly ... maybe you would be able to actaully critique marx properly if you actually read Kapital, or about Kapital from someone who knew it.
    Marx was a fool. And Capital, all three volumes, were about capitalism.

    Filling your mind with foolishness only helps when you recognize it for what it is. You are not alone. Today's Marxists tend to be the same kinds of people who have wished for him to be right in the past. For the most part they are the disaffected, the incapable and the wannabes who think they should have more to say about how to run the world and that they should get more than they got.

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    Re: Why fill your head with foolishness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Marx was a fool. And Capital, all three volumes, were about capitalism.

    Filling your mind with foolishness only helps when you recognize it for what it is. You are not alone. Today's Marxists tend to be the same kinds of people who have wished for him to be right in the past. For the most part they are the disaffected, the incapable and the wannabes who think they should have more to say about how to run the world and that they should get more than they got.
    Beta males, dependents, people who can't compete. These are who find refuge in marxism.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Are you sure that you even read it? I mean the name of it is Capital: A Critique of Political Economy Yet you tried to tell me that it is "the actual theory of Marxism". Marxism isnt just Volumes 2 and 3 of Capital: A Critique of Political Economy And just about every Marxist would agree that the Communist Manifesto is a great deal of it. Also there are other writings that make up the body of Marxism. I find it funny that you are trying to discredit the Communist Manifesto as just a "political pamphlet" just to avoid what is written in it because it proved my point. I guess that is why you didnt respond to my last post huh?

    But then we can look at Capital if thats what you want. And it says the something about the so called natural course of Capitalism, that it leads to a society where money is the only thing that matters if left unchecked. Or are you going to deny that? But if Capital is the theory of Marxism then we can conclude that Marxism is nothing more than a critique of Capitalism. And I tend to agree with that point of view since every Marxist that I have met is obsessed with critiquing Capitalism and nothing much more than that. But that is what Marx wrote about generally.
    The communist manifesto isn't an economic theory, its' a political pamphlet.

    When People talk about marxism in the sense of economics they are generally talking about the Capital volumes.

    I'm not tied to anything, because I dont' give a **** about the person of Marx, I care about ideas and theories and analysis and whether or not they are accurate.

    Marxism IS basically just a critique of Capitalism, at least the Marxism I care about.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Are you sure that you even read it? I mean the name of it is Capital: A Critique of Political Economy Yet you tried to tell me that it is "the actual theory of Marxism". Marxism isnt just Volumes 2 and 3 of Capital: A Critique of Political Economy And just about every Marxist would agree that the Communist Manifesto is a great deal of it. Also there are other writings that make up the body of Marxism. I find it funny that you are trying to discredit the Communist Manifesto as just a "political pamphlet" just to avoid what is written in it because it proved my point. I guess that is why you didnt respond to my last post huh?

    But then we can look at Capital if thats what you want. And it says the something about the so called natural course of Capitalism, that it leads to a society where money is the only thing that matters if left unchecked. Or are you going to deny that? But if Capital is the theory of Marxism then we can conclude that Marxism is nothing more than a critique of Capitalism. And I tend to agree with that point of view since every Marxist that I have met is obsessed with critiquing Capitalism and nothing much more than that. But that is what Marx wrote about generally.
    The communist manifesto isn't an economic theory, its' a political pamphlet.

    When People talk about marxism in the sense of economics they are generally talking about the Capital volumes.

    I'm not tied to anything, because I dont' give a **** about the person of Marx, I care about ideas and theories and analysis and whether or not they are accurate.

    Marxism IS basically just a critique of Capitalism, at least the Marxism I care about.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Are you sure that you even read it? I mean the name of it is Capital: A Critique of Political Economy Yet you tried to tell me that it is "the actual theory of Marxism". Marxism isnt just Volumes 2 and 3 of Capital: A Critique of Political Economy And just about every Marxist would agree that the Communist Manifesto is a great deal of it. Also there are other writings that make up the body of Marxism. I find it funny that you are trying to discredit the Communist Manifesto as just a "political pamphlet" just to avoid what is written in it because it proved my point. I guess that is why you didnt respond to my last post huh?

    But then we can look at Capital if thats what you want. And it says the something about the so called natural course of Capitalism, that it leads to a society where money is the only thing that matters if left unchecked. Or are you going to deny that? But if Capital is the theory of Marxism then we can conclude that Marxism is nothing more than a critique of Capitalism. And I tend to agree with that point of view since every Marxist that I have met is obsessed with critiquing Capitalism and nothing much more than that. But that is what Marx wrote about generally.
    The Marxism I care about is the actual theory Marx put forward on Capitalism in Capital vol. 1,2 & 3 .... I could give less of a **** about the communist manifesto or any other political pamphlet of the 1800s, since it has 0 bearing on the modern world though.

    The critique of Capitalism, in Capital 1, 2 and 3 WAS right, the way capitalism tends toward more and more financialization, the tendancy for the rate of profit to fall, the various internal contradictions in capitalism such as labor cost cutting ending up hurting demand and so on ... all of these Things were right.

    Marx did his critique USING classical economic theory of Adam Smith and Ricardo, so to critique Marx you have to critique Adam Smith or Ricardo unless you can actually show that the consequences don't follow, which they empirically do.

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    Re: Why fill your head with foolishness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Marx was a fool. And Capital, all three volumes, were about capitalism.

    Filling your mind with foolishness only helps when you recognize it for what it is. You are not alone. Today's Marxists tend to be the same kinds of people who have wished for him to be right in the past. For the most part they are the disaffected, the incapable and the wannabes who think they should have more to say about how to run the world and that they should get more than they got.
    I know they were all about Capitalism ... which is why they are relevant and interesting .... since a lot of the stuff he wrote about capitalism turned out to be true.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    The Marxism I care about is the actual theory Marx put forward on Capitalism in Capital vol. 1,2 & 3 .... I could give less of a **** about the communist manifesto or any other political pamphlet of the 1800s, since it has 0 bearing on the modern world though.

    The critique of Capitalism, in Capital 1, 2 and 3 WAS right, the way capitalism tends toward more and more financialization, the tendancy for the rate of profit to fall, the various internal contradictions in capitalism such as labor cost cutting ending up hurting demand and so on ... all of these Things were right.

    Marx did his critique USING classical economic theory of Adam Smith and Ricardo, so to critique Marx you have to critique Adam Smith or Ricardo unless you can actually show that the consequences don't follow, which they empirically do.
    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    The communist manifesto isn't an economic theory, its' a political pamphlet.

    When People talk about marxism in the sense of economics they are generally talking about the Capital volumes.

    I'm not tied to anything, because I dont' give a **** about the person of Marx, I care about ideas and theories and analysis and whether or not they are accurate.

    Marxism IS basically just a critique of Capitalism, at least the Marxism I care about.
    Yea but its called MARXism because its all about Karl Marx's philosophies. Marx's philosophies were not limited to just critiquing Capitalism.

    The question was if Marx was right about Capitalism. Marxisms extremist portrayal of Capitalism is no different than McCarthyism's extremist portrayal of Communism.

    If Marx's predictions were correct why is it that all of his predictions are not evident in this modern world? The reason is that Marx was talking about unfettered/uncontrolled/unregulated crony Capitalism. He wasnt talking about a Capitalism that is controlled with a structure that eliminates the ability for people to exploit the system. His entire mounted around his assertion that democracy would die if Capitalism was the economic system of choice. Marxists assert the philosophies of Marx and espouse massive bias when viewing the state on the Union. Marxists will insist that there isnt any democracy in America so they can hold their left fist in the air and yell REVOLUTION. The idea is to scare the common citizen with all of their Marxist theories and so on. Some even try and claim that they are only concerned with the economic structure, as if no one can pick up the Communist Manifesto and read it. Marxism is Marxism whether one individual like yourself makes a claim that they are not involved in supporting the goals of Marxism. The point of Marxism is to reach a goal and that goal is to replace Capitalism with Socialism/Communism. That is what people mean when they talk about Marxism. Marxism isnt a benign study of economics, its a method to oust governments and replace them with the philosophies of Marx and the political structures that Marx and Engles designed.

    BTW the word tends isnt definite its very subjective. Extrapolating historical trends can be misleading (citing data and making predictions). So Marx talked in a way that played on emotions and he exploited those emotions of the people most affected by corruption, the worker. It boils down to manipulation of personal pride. No one wants someone above them controlling them in any sort of way. So Marx used that psychology to attack the power structure of his world. In order for Marx's philosophies to be used he had to get rid of the competing cultures that would destroy any chance of his ideas coming to fruit. The best way of achieving that goal was to turn the citizens against their own governments and convince the worker that things will be grand under Socialism and later Communism. Good little manipulated sheep.

    I cannot ignore the history and the methods of Marxism, its just too much bull**** that makes whatever Marx got right irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

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