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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    JEsus Christ ... you haven't read Marx AT ALL have you ... No he doesn't claime that all epopl With wealth are greedy assholes AT ALL, nor does he say People will end up worhsiping wealth and greed and ignoring familty (although, look at how Things are going).
    **** jesus he didnt say this: "The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.”
    ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto


    I am sure that you think that you can pull the wool over my eyes and outright lie to me, but unfortunately for you Marxists dont agree with your foolery.

    "The increase in crime and violence, pornography, bourgeois selfishness and the brutal indifference to the sufferings of others, sadism, disintegration of the family and the collapse of traditional morality, drug addiction and alcoholism—all those things provoking the hypocritical wrath and indignation of reactionaries—are only symptoms of the senile degeneration of capitalism. In the same way that similar phenomena accompanied the period of decline of slave society under the Roman Empire."

    If we consider this: Origin of the family: In Defence of Engels and Morgan That Marxism assumes that family is only valid in a communistic society that Capitalism destroys the family (see feminism etc) then what I asserted about Marx was right on the money.

    “There can be no poor and needy – the communistic household and the gens know their responsibility towards the aged, the sick and those disabled in war. All are free and equal - including the women. There is as yet no room for slaves or, as a rule, for subjugation of alien tribes…

    This is what mankind and human society were like before class divisions arose.” Engels, The Origin, pp. 519-20,


    Marx and Engels criticize the relationship between capital and labor, arguing that it dehumanizes the working-class into slave labor and destroys family relations and all sense of morality and replaces it with money relations.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    **** jesus he didnt say this: "The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.”
    ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto


    I am sure that you think that you can pull the wool over my eyes and outright lie to me, but unfortunately for you Marxists dont agree with your foolery.

    "The increase in crime and violence, pornography, bourgeois selfishness and the brutal indifference to the sufferings of others, sadism, disintegration of the family and the collapse of traditional morality, drug addiction and alcoholism—all those things provoking the hypocritical wrath and indignation of reactionaries—are only symptoms of the senile degeneration of capitalism. In the same way that similar phenomena accompanied the period of decline of slave society under the Roman Empire."

    If we consider this: Origin of the family: In Defence of Engels and Morgan That Marxism assumes that family is only valid in a communistic society that Capitalism destroys the family (see feminism etc) then what I asserted about Marx was right on the money.

    “There can be no poor and needy – the communistic household and the gens know their responsibility towards the aged, the sick and those disabled in war. All are free and equal - including the women. There is as yet no room for slaves or, as a rule, for subjugation of alien tribes…

    This is what mankind and human society were like before class divisions arose.” Engels, The Origin, pp. 519-20,


    Marx and Engels criticize the relationship between capital and labor, arguing that it dehumanizes the working-class into slave labor and destroys family relations and all sense of morality and replaces it with money relations.
    1. Read the context, and the rest of it. (btw, have you seen divorce courts, dating services, "gold diggers," sugar daddies .... and so on).
    2. My point is it's a lot more Neuanced than than that, if you read read the whole theory in Kapital.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    You quoted someone talking about what Karl Marx said, and totally ignored the actual Karl Marx quote, InFact you ignored the entire argument of what Karl Marx was right about and threw a Red Herring, i.e. arguing about something totally unrelated.
    I quoted no one. Those were my words.

    Marx was wrong. He was big picture wrong. Let's assume, just for the sake of argument that in his 50 volumes full of nonsense has an occasional accident where maybe we can give him credit for almost getting something right. In your opinion is that cause for celebration?

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    1. Read the context, and the rest of it. (btw, have you seen divorce courts, dating services, "gold diggers," sugar daddies .... and so on).
    2. My point is it's a lot more Neuanced than than that, if you read read the whole theory in Kapital.
    Yea because TV is such a good indicator of reality.

    "The proletarian is without property; his relation to his wife and children has no longer anything in common with the bourgeois family relations; modern industry labour, modern subjection to capital, the same in England as in France, in America as in Germany, has stripped him of every trace of national character. Law, morality, religion, are to him so many bourgeois prejudices, behind which lurk in ambush just as many bourgeois interests..”
    ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto


    The Communist Manifesto is nothing more than a attempt to get the masses to destroy Capitalism and instate Socialism. Everything that Marx every said about Capitalism was aimed at attacking a section of society that stood in the way of his crazy ass ideas. And he designed a way to manipulate the masses to make it happen. It all counted on people blindly following Marxs philosophies. But those numbers have always been small because Marx sounds like he is a fanatical preacher. It is Marx's fanaticism that shows bright and clear when he would attack Capitalism and make predictions about how it affects society. Of course you could deny all that but Marx wrote too much for anyone to take you serious.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I quoted no one. Those were my words.

    Marx was wrong. He was big picture wrong. Let's assume, just for the sake of argument that in his 50 volumes full of nonsense has an occasional accident where maybe we can give him credit for almost getting something right. In your opinion is that cause for celebration?
    What was he wrong about? Have you read the OP?

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yea because TV is such a good indicator of reality.

    "The proletarian is without property; his relation to his wife and children has no longer anything in common with the bourgeois family relations; modern industry labour, modern subjection to capital, the same in England as in France, in America as in Germany, has stripped him of every trace of national character. Law, morality, religion, are to him so many bourgeois prejudices, behind which lurk in ambush just as many bourgeois interests..”
    ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto


    The Communist Manifesto is nothing more than a attempt to get the masses to destroy Capitalism and instate Socialism. Everything that Marx every said about Capitalism was aimed at attacking a section of society that stood in the way of his crazy ass ideas. And he designed a way to manipulate the masses to make it happen. It all counted on people blindly following Marxs philosophies. But those numbers have always been small because Marx sounds like he is a fanatical preacher. It is Marx's fanaticism that shows bright and clear when he would attack Capitalism and make predictions about how it affects society. Of course you could deny all that but Marx wrote too much for anyone to take you serious.
    The Communist Manifesto was a political pamphlet ...

    Kapital vl 1, 2 and 3 are the actual theory of Marxism.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    “Most people who read "The Communist Manifesto" probably have no idea that it was written by a couple of young men who had never worked a day in their lives, and who nevertheless spoke boldly in the name of "the workers".”
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    What was he wrong about? Have you read the OP?
    RG, I get it. You want for Obama to be "right" so you want Marx to be right.

    You need to change your thinking. Marx was wrong. Only socialists, Marxists, Progressives, (or, if you wish university professors not in the hard sciences) and Obamabots continue to believe. Oh and the young who fall for everything, of course.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    RG, I get it. You want for Obama to be "right" so you want Marx to be right.

    You need to change your thinking. Marx was wrong. Only socialists, Marxists, Progressives, (or, if you wish university professors not in the hard sciences) and Obamabots continue to believe. Oh and the young who fall for everything, of course.
    I'm not a domocrat and I don't support Obama, never have.

    I read Marx, I read Kapital 1,2 and 3, I studied it, and I've actually read what Marxists and non Marxists had to say about it.

    YOU haven't.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    I'm not a domocrat and I don't support Obama, never have.

    I read Marx, I read Kapital 1,2 and 3, I studied it, and I've actually read what Marxists and non Marxists had to say about it.

    YOU haven't.
    Really? Tell me about Capital vol 3.

    One has to really love Marx to read so much of his nonsense. Or one has to wonder, as I did, what all the fuss is about. The guy was a prolific kook. His drippings fill fifty volumes.

    Be cautious. When you fill your mind with crap it cannot help but come back out...

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