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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That's not so. But it is surely so under capitalism, and for that matter, the Marxist-like solutions that have been put forward.
    Oh please DO enlighten us.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh please DO enlighten us.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    I think he was pointing out, partially, that even in recent history, there was discrimination and NOT a market that rented to those who had money to rent, but were trying to restrict to those they believed would fit into what the owners of the area felt would be a good fit, sometimes based on racism, sometimes just classism
    That pretty much it. I really didn't think what I said was hard to comprehend.

    According to the principles of classical liberalism the so called free market would lead to emancipation for all. Indeed Friedman said the following:

    No one who buys bread knows whether the wheat from which it was made was grown by a Communist or a Republican, by a constitutionalist or a Fascist, or, for that matter , by a Negro or a white. This illustrates how an impersonal market separates economic activities from political views and protects men from being discriminated against in the economic activities for reasons that are irrelevant to their productivity
    Indeed this is a cornerstone principle of free market capitalism, i.e., that free markets guarantee freedom. However, the example that I provided demonstrates that in practice, markets are not necessarily free. In this instance, the commercial real estate market does indeed discriminate based simply on who you are. I suppose that's what got me. Supposedly markets should be impersonal, and one can buy what one has the ability to pay for, just like anyone else. But that is not the case. Now one can say that the owners are merely acting in their self interest to preserve the investment of their clients. But the problem is that in this case, not only is the ability to pay no longer criteria, but there is also no consideration of the merits of the product or the producer. It is simply based on established names. Thus eroding the principles of meritocracy, while at the same time supporting the principles of cronyism.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Theres that famous liberal compassion, most commonly found in those who have not travelled, or lived much.
    I have traveled plenty, and would NEVER have returned to the dump of USA, if not forced too.

    GOP compassion is the 26,000 deaths each years from denied healthcare.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    That wasnt a specific answer. It seemed like you just repeated your claim.

    Who are they/them?
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    those that live in the fantasy land of Wall Street.
    what ever you want to call them.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Borgeois
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    those that live in the fantasy land of Wall Street.
    what ever you want to call them.
    So then you have a prejudice against certain types of people. By "Borgeois" I m sure that you mean Bourgeois Society and not fictional characters that live in cubes. Either way though it shows that you believe in classism. There is no such thing as us and them, we are all together despite what some people will claim that want to be separate from some sections of society.

    Marxisms biggest mistake is assuming that the only way to make things right is by attacking a certain section of society and blaming them for all of our short comings. It is no different than ultra conservatives blaming a certain section of society for all of this countries woes. Also Bourgeois Society the definition that Marx used as Capitalism is entirely different than what most Americans think of as the definition of Capitalism. At any rate if we use Marx's definition of Capitalism then we can still say that his predictions were wrong, even with 2008 in the picture. Marx's predictions called for absolutes in his assertions that are not at all possible in reality. Take for example his claims that we would be more concerned with money than our family, that was an outright fail.

    But in the end Marxists are never honest about word definitions nor observations of the real world. They instead try and make the world adhere to Marxisms belief system.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    I have traveled plenty, and would NEVER have returned to the dump of USA, if not forced too.

    GOP compassion is the 26,000 deaths each years from denied healthcare.
    Who forced you to return? I'd be willing to purchase a plane ticket for you, hows that sound?

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
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    LOL !!

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So then you have a prejudice against certain types of people. By "Borgeois" I m sure that you mean Bourgeois Society and not fictional characters that live in cubes. Either way though it shows that you believe in classism. There is no such thing as us and them, we are all together despite what some people will claim that want to be separate from some sections of society.

    Marxisms biggest mistake is assuming that the only way to make things right is by attacking a certain section of society and blaming them for all of our short comings. It is no different than ultra conservatives blaming a certain section of society for all of this countries woes. Also Bourgeois Society the definition that Marx used as Capitalism is entirely different than what most Americans think of as the definition of Capitalism. At any rate if we use Marx's definition of Capitalism then we can still say that his predictions were wrong, even with 2008 in the picture. Marx's predictions called for absolutes in his assertions that are not at all possible in reality. Take for example his claims that we would be more concerned with money than our family, that was an outright fail.

    But in the end Marxists are never honest about word definitions nor observations of the real world. They instead try and make the world adhere to Marxisms belief system.
    yes there is US and THEM. GILLOTINE TIME!!!!!

    Did you forget about OWS? All those millions marching?

    Look at the $10B a major bank is going to have to pay out for criminal acts.

    Why are criminals allowed to just pay a fine? Why does NO ONE go to jail?

    Bourgeois is the owners of production. Not this "society" BS you talk about.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Who forced you to return? I'd be willing to purchase a plane ticket for you, hows that sound?
    Plane ticket is easy.

    get me a permanent visa.
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