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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong...here is Madison's own words... on democracy in the federalist #10...
    You did not read my post and citation, or you read but did not understand them, or you are playing dumb. I'll assume the worst, and that you know you are beat, but pretend not to realize it, and plan to take recourse in endless repetition of a discredited position.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    You did not read my post and citation, or you read but did not understand them, or you are playing dumb. I'll assume the worst, and that you know you are beat, but pretend not to realize it, and plan to take recourse in endless repetition of a discredited position.
    well its you who cannot understand madsion...the constitution calls for republican form of government..not a democratic form....

    a democratic form only puts all power directly in the peoples hands.......in republican form, direct power is also in the hands of the states....pre 17th


    "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote"

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry that is wrong..the u.s. is a republic based on the roman republic....

    to the founders a democratic republic is an oxymoron...it does not exist.

    the us., is a republic which is a "mixed government" ..federalist 40...in which power is divided up between the states and the people...........in democracy power is concentrated only in the people....

    the idea of the founders was never to give all power to 1 single entity...not even the people.

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    You're under the assumption that there does not exist any variations in democracy or any variations in a republic.

    The term "republic" quite simply means any form of government in which power is given to the people. A democracy is a type of republic. Montesquieu, Locke, and various other political philosophers before the days of the Revolution agreed with this definition.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    You're under the assumption that there does not exist any variations in democracy or any variations in a republic.

    The term "republic" quite simply means any form of government in which power is given to the people. A democracy is a type of republic. Montesquieu, Locke, and various other political philosophers before the days of the Revolution agreed with this definition.
    i will give you the details.......the founders created a republic of mixed government dividing power into two halfs.....the house is a democracy, and the senate is an aristocracy.

    this way...no one has all the power...the people hold power and the states legislatures hold power......so power is divided, so no single entity can be tyrannical.

    the word republic to the founders means the roman republic of mixed government, ..but during the french revolution of 1789...which was a democratic movement to remove the king and the aristocracy, the new government formed by the people called themselves a republic...which was false.

    however the term stuck, and in the modern interpretation it means....any government other than a monarchy.

    communism is not a republic.......socialism is not a republic.....direct power only in the people is not a republic

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quit giving Ernst a Confederate soap box to stand on and to hi-jack.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    communism is not a republic.......socialism is not a republic.....direct power only in the people is not a republic
    Yes, socialism and communism are forms of a republic. A republic is any form of government where power is given to the people. Whether or not you accept that definition, or think that it means something entirely different, well, I guess I can't help you.

    All you've really said about the term "republic" was that it started with the Romans and the French used the term inaccurately and the term stuck.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    Yes, socialism and communism are forms of a republic. A republic is any form of government where power is given to the people. Whether or not you accept that definition, or think that it means something entirely different, well, I guess I can't help you.

    All you've really said about the term "republic" was that it started with the Romans and the French used the term inaccurately and the term stuck.
    only in the modern day interpretation....not the founders interpretation.


    even the founders in their personal letters say America is not a democracy.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Polybius and the Founding Fathers: the separation of powers

    america is a mixed government...



    The Federalist No. 40
    On the Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained
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    THE second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional] convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Well if we can judge anything by the history of Russia's economic performance...the answer would be a resounding NO. And since our last two socialists presidents sandwiching GW Bush were total flops...yes Slick Willie Clinton...I believe that verifies the opinion.

    And before you start with Clinton's dot com economy...don't even bother.
    Liberalismódividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
    -----HogWash-----

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    only in the modern day interpretation....not the founders interpretation.


    even the founders in their personal letters say America is not a democracy.
    Well, history after the Founding Fathers was much democratic than it was during the first few years. So, I'm not disagreeing with that. It was only around 100 years ago where 50% of the population gained the right to vote. However, I still do not think that negates what the Founders understood as democracy (majority rule by the white, landowning class) and what we understand as democracy. One is an extension of the other.

    Saying the U.S. is not a democracy but a republic is like saying Catholics are not monotheists but are Christians.

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