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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    illegal?

    did not say it was, but slavery is criminal

    you have to make a law, if you going to be able to make something illegal, and build a case against a citizen

    federal law does that, constitutional law does not.
    This issue has been beat in the ground now. I will again note what the Supreme Court has said about the matter and leave it at that.

    This amendment, as well as the Fourteenth, is undoubtedly self-executing, without any ancillary legislation, so far as its terms are applicable to any existing state of circumstances. By its own unaided force and effect, it abolished slavery and established universal freedom.
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    the amendment is not a mere prohibition of State laws establishing or upholding slavery, but an absolute declaration that slavery or involuntary servitude shall not exist in any part of the United States.
    The Supreme Court hit the nail squarely on the head, and I totally agree with what they have said. That issue is closed as far as I am concerned.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that's right some did execution and massacre ..some did not...but i don't know any Nazi's here.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How is he insulting anybody?
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    There is nothing wrong with capitalism. There is plenty wrong with the way government interferes with the mechanisms that keep it functioning properly.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    There is nothing wrong with capitalism. There is plenty wrong with the way government interferes with the mechanisms that keep it functioning properly.
    Like many right-libertarians you are confusing capitalism and freed market.

    Capitalism and Free market economy are somewhat entwined as one is an integral part of the other. However, in their true definitions they differ .While capitalism refers more to the production of wealth, the term free market dwells more on the exchange of wealth in various methods. Capital is an essential basic element for both capitalism and free market economies. However, free competition is not an essential element of capitalism but of ‘free markets’. This is because in capitalism, capital owners have a lot of dominance over the means of production and as such may yield unfair influence.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Not an expert on Marx, but from what I know, he was right that the 19th century laisser-faire capitalism in Europe would not be able to survive.

    However, he was dead wrong on his political predictions. Obviously, consciousness was a bit stronger than Marx gave it credit, so nationalism and fascism rose instead of a commie world revolution. Many workers didn't want to be free, but die for their nations instead. And he totally underestimated the capacity of liberal republics to adopt and change, to become more inclusive and to tame capitalism.

    Liberal republics, with their regulation of generally free markets, have solved the problems Marx found, much better than socialism ever has anywhere.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Like many right-libertarians you are confusing capitalism and freed market.

    Capitalism and Free market economy are somewhat entwined as one is an integral part of the other. However, in their true definitions they differ .While capitalism refers more to the production of wealth, the term free market dwells more on the exchange of wealth in various methods. Capital is an essential basic element for both capitalism and free market economies. However, free competition is not an essential element of capitalism but of ‘free markets’. This is because in capitalism, capital owners have a lot of dominance over the means of production and as such may yield unfair influence.
    Your definition picks nits. Capitalism only works as designed in free markets. I have no idea what a freed market is. When government gets involved in price fixing or subsidy capitalism suffers. When crony capitalism is the norm capitalism vanishes. Capitalism encourages the creation of wealth as does free trade because when traders trade, they do it with a sense of improving the situations of each side. Buy a tank of gas, the consumer remains mobile and improves his life and the gas station owner makes a profit enabling him to pay his bills and improve his life. You are trying to draw a distinction where there is none.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Dont be dumb...

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by mildsteel View Post
    this issue has been beat in the ground now. I will again note what the supreme court has said about the matter and leave it at that.



    The supreme court hit the nail squarely on the head, and i totally agree with what they have said. That issue is closed as far as i am concerned.
    well you proved my point already when you stated, prosecuted on federal statute, not constitutional law.

    So that proves constitutional law does not apply to people, federal does.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Not an expert on Marx, but from what I know, he was right that the 19th century laisser-faire capitalism in Europe would not be able to survive.

    However, he was dead wrong on his political predictions. Obviously, consciousness was a bit stronger than Marx gave it credit, so nationalism and fascism rose instead of a commie world revolution. Many workers didn't want to be free, but die for their nations instead. And he totally underestimated the capacity of liberal republics to adopt and change, to become more inclusive and to tame capitalism.

    Liberal republics, with their regulation of generally free markets, have solved the problems Marx found, much better than socialism ever has anywhere.
    They have not solved the problems. And what is happening in Europe in places like Spain, Greece, and Italy is a testament to this. What has kept the system alive is credit, and that is reaching it's limits. What will happen eventually is that the majority of people will lead a wretched existence while a very few brutally exploit them. It is a matter of time.

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