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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you missed one----democracy is the most vile form of government- James Madison..father of the u.s. constitution.
    Meaning majority rule. James Madison warned about the tyranny of majority and majority rule which would manifest itself in an absolute democracy. However, the U.S. is a representative democracy with constitutional limits.

    The U.S. is a republic, which is a vague term for any form of government that is not ruled by a monarch or divine rule. All democracies are republics, but not all republics are democracies.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    As for Marx's theory of labor, I believe that technology has made it obsolete (automation) and future unpredictable technology will further disprove it. Yet in the sense of "capitalism" failing, he was right.
    I think that essentially any economic system will eventually fail, just due to human nature, and the tendency of some individuals to either take advantage of the weaknesses in others, or in the system itself. It's also a huge problem that humans vary so widely in ability motivation and ability.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I think that essentially any economic system will eventually fail, just due to human nature, and the tendency of some individuals to either take advantage of the weaknesses in others, or in the system itself. It's also a huge problem that humans vary so widely in ability motivation and ability.
    I think if hard work alone is not enough to provide a sufficient living, there is a problem in the system.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    Meaning majority rule. James Madison warned about the tyranny of majority and majority rule which would manifest itself in an absolute democracy. However, the U.S. is a representative democracy with constitutional limits.

    The U.S. is a republic, which is a vague term for any form of government that is not ruled by a monarch or divine rule. All democracies are republics, but not all republics are democracies.
    The demise of monarchies have resulted in capitalists filling the void.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    I think if hard work alone is not enough to provide a sufficient living, there is a problem in the system.
    Well, you do have a certain point, but I think that the complexity of our lifestyles in this day and age tends to skew that opinion somewhat. At one time, one could live by the "sweat of the brow", if he/she was willing to put in the labor, but we are so interdependent on each other nowadays, to provide and obtain the more technological things in life, and ordinary modern conveniences, that the guarantee of being able to live if you were willing to do the labor, has become pretty much meaningless.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    thanks for the personal comment.....it shows me you cannot put aside personal feelings, and thus govern with your passion, which makes for a very bad debate.
    What I cannot put aside are feelings of revulsion against all things Nazi, including especially all members of the SS, who were the worst of the Nazi fanatics- Hitler's bloody dogs of execution and massacre.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    While the US economy isn't doing so well, many third world economies are doing great, so capitalism as a concept is still validated from what I can tell.
    I think the report card in out on that. From what I can tell, third world economies do well when they are able to take advantage of differentials in costs of living and wages in the developed world. Over time however, wages will come into equilibrium, and then in will be interesting to see what happens. Already China is starting to suffer from the effects of inflation and rising wages.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    What I cannot put aside are feelings of revulsion against all things Nazi, including especially all members of the SS, who were the worst of the Nazi fanatics- Hitler's bloody dogs of .
    that's right some did execution and massacre ..some did not...but i don't know any Nazi's here.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, you do have a certain point, but I think that the complexity of our lifestyles in this day and age tends to skew that opinion somewhat. At one time, one could live by the "sweat of the brow", if he/she was willing to put in the labor, but we are so interdependent on each other nowadays, to provide and obtain the more technological things in life, and ordinary modern conveniences, that the guarantee of being able to live if you were willing to do the labor, has become pretty much meaningless.
    Right, and that inability to make a living off of hard work alone has favored the more privileged (used the term somewhat loosely) as they (the "privileged") have more resources at their disposal to further their education, specialize their skills, influence politics, etc, etc.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    Meaning majority rule. James Madison warned about the tyranny of majority and majority rule which would manifest itself in an absolute democracy. However, the U.S. is a representative democracy with constitutional limits.

    The U.S. is a republic, which is a vague term for any form of government that is not ruled by a monarch or divine rule. All democracies are republics, but not all republics are democracies.
    sorry that is wrong..the u.s. is a republic based on the roman republic....

    to the founders a democratic republic is an oxymoron...it does not exist.

    the us., is a republic which is a "mixed government" ..federalist 40...in which power is divided up between the states and the people...........in democracy power is concentrated only in the people....

    the idea of the founders was never to give all power to 1 single entity...not even the people.

    Mixed government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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