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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    AMENDMENT XIII

    Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.

    Note: A portion of Article IV, section 2, of the Constitution was superseded by the 13th amendment.

    Section 1.
    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Section 2.
    Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    appropriate legislation= creating a federal criminal law.
    There is no restriction in the 13th amendment to government. Therefore there are no federal or state statutes that ban slavery, because an absolute declaration was made in the 13th amendment.
    Last edited by MildSteel; 05-19-14 at 07:55 PM.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There is no restriction in the 13th amendment to government. Therefore there is no federal or state statutes that ban slavery, because an absolute declaration was made in the 13th amendment.
    you really have no understanding of law.


    if a person were to make another person a slave, it would fall under federal criminal law...not constitutional law.

    article 1 section 8 clause 18, grants congress the power to make federal laws....amendment 13 grants congress the power to make federal laws concerning slavery...federal law is not constitutional law.

    any slavery which would manifest itself, would be a criminal act, and that person would be taken to a federal place of detention.....to be placed on trial for a federal crime!

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you really have no understanding of law.


    if a person were to make another person a slave, it would fall under federal criminal law...not constitutional law.

    article 1 section 8 clause 18, grants congress the power to make federal laws....amendment 13 grants congress the power to make federal laws concerning slavery...federal law is not constitutional law.

    any slavery which would manifest itself, would be a criminal act, and that person would be taken to a federal place of detention.....place on trail for a federal crime!
    You are the one who does not understand the law. The 13th amendment applies to individuals as well as governments. Even the Supreme Court has stated such.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You are the one who does not understand the law. The 13th amendment applies to individuals as well as governments. Even the Supreme Court has stated such.

    you seem to be lost........its not a constitutional violation for a person....its a federal crime!

    no citizen can violate the constitution,...they can only commit a federal crime.

    counterfeiting, piracy, treason, and tax cheating are all federal crimes.......falling under criminal law...even though they are mentioned in the constitution.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you seem to be lost........its not a constitutional violation for a person....its a federal crime!

    no citizen can violate the constitution,...they can only commit a federal crime.

    counterfeiting, piracy, treason, and tax cheating are all federal crimes.......falling under criminal law...even though they are mentioned in the constitution.
    No you are lost. You have said that the 13th amendment does not apply in individuals and that is a false statement. The Supreme Court has said so.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No you are lost. You have said that the 13th amendment does not apply in individuals and that is a false statement. The Supreme Court has said so.
    it does not apply...period...

    but the laws the federal government makes, because amendment 13 gives them the power to create,[federal laws]..makes it a federal crime if a person does it.

    a person does not commit a constitutional violation, by engaging in slavery, he commits a federal crime..

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it does not apply...period...

    but the laws the federal government makes, because amendment 13 gives them the power to create,[federal laws]..makes it a federal crime if a person does it.

    a person does not commit a constitutional violation, by engaging in slavery, he commits a federal crime..
    The Supreme Court has said that it does apply. Period.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The Supreme Court has said that it does apply. Period.
    tell me then...can you explain what the procedures and the punishment is then for slavery in america according to amendment 13...........no!

    because that is determined by the congress creating federal legislation [criminal law], making the action a federal crime.....not a constitutional violation.

    if a person were convicted of a constitutional violation,...there is no way to determine that person's punishment............because its not listed in the amendment...

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    tell me then...can you explain what the procedures and the punishment is then for slavery in america according to amendment 13...........no!

    because that is determined by the congress creating federal legislation [criminal law], making the action a federal crime.....not a constitutional violation.

    if a person were convicted of a constitutional violation,...there is no way to determine that person's punishment............because its not listed in the amendment...
    You tell me, what is the federal statute that specifically sets a punishment for slavery? Answer there is none, because according to the constitution there is no such thing as slavery in the United States.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You tell me, what is the federal statute that specifically sets a punishment for slavery? Answer there is none, because according to the constitution there is no such thing as slavery in the United States.
    when this amendment was passed by congress, it outlawed slavery in america.....by just a general statement..it listed no punishment no procedures no specifics, for handing the issue of slavery.

    governments....cannot go to jail, only people can go to jail.

    when a state violates the 13th, they go to court, for a constitutional violation against the people that were harmed, with the people represented by the federal government.

    when a citizen commits slavery,. it is a federal crime, because amendment 13 gives the congress authority to write federal criminal law, with states what the specifics of the law are, and what the punishment will be for the crime.

    so constitutional law,rules when a government violates the constitution, criminal law rules when a person commits a crime of the against another citiznen, or violates a federal power....

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